On March 27, 1948, a meeting was held in Hiafa concerning the fate of the Bedouin of Arab al-Ghawarina in the Haifa area. "They must be removed from there, so that they, too, will not add to our troubles," Yosef Weitz, of the Keren Kayemeth (Jewish National Fund), wrote in his personal diary. Two months later, Weitz reported to the organization's director, "Our Haifa Bay has been evacuated completely and there is hardly a remnant of those who encroached our border." They were probably expelled to Jordan; some were allowed to remain in the village of Jisr al-Zarqa.
It is not the occupation, it is the culture structure; but to understand that we need to get deep into the nature of human psyche. The work of Don Beck on Spiral Dynamics Integral show it and he is working now with palestinians to support a change.
To understand why this problem exist we need to use a tool that can describe human development from the roots of the tribe to the top of the corporate world. we should not base our solution in history, we need to take the solution from the future since it is our responsibility to create it.
This post and discussion is a trap that try to make a complex thing un-solvable by bringing not-relevant narratives as the one of jewish minorities in the Arab world. There are normal human structure of change and at this point Israel society and Palestine society trapped in a deadly dance and to get out of it we need new vision of future and not old description of failure.
Are you serving the change for peaceful middle east or are you enjoying "Blame game" / "how suffer most game" / "how advocate for this human rights game"?
I put this hard question to you, but any one from any side should ask him/her self this question.
There are real children in the future of this children, some of them in Gaza, Betlehem, Jerusalem, Haifa, Tel-Aviv etc. and this kind of academic "i am right and you are wrong" discussion are not helping us to secure their future.
Habib wrote: "Israeli policies can be justified , especially denying the palestinian right of return by invoking the concept of "population exchange" .
Population exchange has been used in the past to settle such disputes. The creation of India, and Pakistan and Bangladesh are one such example; that issue is from the same period.
From my perspective
1) Being a refugee sucks.
2) All decades-old refugee issues other than that of Palestinian refugees have been (re)solved or just ignored by the world. I am not saying that is all good, and that the results were truly equitable. But that really seems to be a fact and all those other disputes are no longer generally perceived to be unresolved.
Habib: You and many in the world seem to think and act like Palestian refugees are different from all other refugees. WHY really is that so?
you know that every person is unique, as you are a person and I am a person we have different realety.
When some one relates toyou he/she do not relate to me, when some one repect you, it does not mean he/she respect me.
Same goes to the condition of refugees, the Jewish refugees are in different life condition then the Palestinian refugees. As all people who suffer deserve our support we should not think the Jew-sh refugees condition is same then Palestinian refugees.
In respect to peace in the middle east, it is clear that the Palestinian condition i far more critical then the Jewish condition in Israel and in the world.
Such emotionally movies that show a phenomena in the Jewish sphere does not mean that israel should behave as any other country (Arab, China or Western) for the middle east one of the core phenomena that dis-stabilities the region is the Palestinian refugee.
I agree Neri that NOWthe "Palestinian condition is far more critical then the Jewish condition in Israel and in the world.
I ask again why is that so?
I ask again why solutions that work and have worked for other refugees have not been and are not implemented for the Palestinian refugees?
You chide me Neri for providing ONE "emotionaly movie that show a phenomena in the Jewish sphere". Such emotional material has been the basis of the public Palestinian case for many many years. This site also has many such examples.
Let's just get a bit more consistent and really equitable. Please!
Do you want to ignore or condone blatant double standards! If so why?