We were supposed to do a tour in Jericho today but it was cancelled. What was interesting to me telling other Israeli Jews where we were going is that many wanted to come, some did not but all said the same things: “But it’s not safe”. Most Israelis (unless they travel in the West Bank) assume that anywhere Arab is not safe for Jews. This is not a debate about the why (Israelis hear Palestinian violence or threats towards Jews daily for 100 years) or if this is fair or comparable (Palestinians also fear Israeli soldiers/it is a minority who commit violence).
My question is that if there are two peoples living on this land and we have to find a way to live together somehow- how can this be done when we are so cut off from one another and violence keeps us away from even trying to get to know each other? How do we change the mantra of ‘Arabs are violent’ or ‘Israelis are violent’?
If you walk through as a Jew in full orthodox clothing you'll get the same reaction as if you went through the black ghetto with a Nazi helmet on... You'll be lucky to make it out alive... But there are lots of anti-zionist jewish bloggers who went through Gaza and the West Bank and had a positive experience... It depends on if you are an a-hole or not... Like France!
You have to love the comparision of Orthodox Jews to Nazi's always a winner in my book. The idea is that if you dont show that you are Jewish they will not beat you, great!
Not comparing Orthodox Jews to Nazis, just comparing reactions. People often have expectations about people based on what they wear. You can't walk through a Palestinian area dressed in full Orthodox regalia without making the Palestinians nervous that you are a settler out to take their land.
So if a Jew is walking in a Palestinian city they will harass, attack, kill etc... him because they are afraid he is trying to build a settlement? Does that make any sense to you? Or do they just hate Jews? If the same Jew would walk around Egypt would he not possible be attacked for the same reason? Arab media is full of hate for Jews, they stiull distribute the Elders of Zion. This has nothing to do with settlements.
Jeff if you saw a man in a German uniform in one of your precious settlements you freak out... And i don't even mean a nazi uniform I mean just a normal one! And just to state one could wear a yarmulke alone and be fine!
Fact I like the Iron cross but wonder weather or not I should display it on this website... Tell me you would not be offended and I will agree with you!
Jeff Stern, you state that hatred of Jews that exists has nothing to do with settlements. So when the Spanish Catholics subjected the Jews and Muslims to the Inquisition was hatred for Catholics by some Jews and Muslims simply because they were of different religions? No. Did the Irish dislike the English because they were Protestant? You see you are assuming that if the state of Israel wasn't created and thereby displacing so many Arabs and being part of various wars no matter who you think started what, Arab Palestinians suffered horribly, that the Elders of Zion would simply have been popular in Europe regardless of what happened in history. Furthermore, the Israeli media and books are also full of hate for Arabs. I don't think a Jew wandering in an Arab city should be harmed, and some Israelis do meet Arabs without any problems, but they come in peace, they mean the Arabs well, and they are known to the inhabitants. Most Jews that Arabs see in the West Bank are settlers. And many of the settlers want the land the Palestinians are on, and they don't hide that fact.
Commentator Robert Haymond, a Jew, presumably, who resides in a settlement in the Westbank, brought up a very real situation, one which he has witnessed and which actually exists, yet with all the high sounding phrases and ideas, not one poster even bothered to consider the example of Rahmy-Levy's, a business in which Jews and Arabs appear to actually co-exist and on a dynamic level. Apparently, it seems too much for mepeacers to actually contemplate. As a businessman myself (at least, in my latest incarnation), I'd say that we are the best people to model peaceful solutions on because we are practical and quite non-political when it gets down to the nitty-gritty. So, Peacekeepers, what about the example of Rahmy-Levy's?
Just now read your apt comment, Corey. Thank you for adding interesting information (the Tel Aviv hummus restaurant) and your analysis about what would be required for peace, i.e., direct communication and subsequent trust. There are too many people (unlike yourself) on this forum who comment void of context.
By the way, speaking of hummus, about one year ago the Lebanese press was critiquing Israel for "pirating" Lebanese hummus recipes while calling the recipes their own. One cartoonist even dared to entitle one of his illustrations, "The Great Hummus War", depicting a fat Muslim with a scimtar in his shield with a Crescent shaped design embossed on it across the table from a paunchy Jew with an automatic rifle across his lap with the Star of David emblazoned on it both greedily munching down gobs of hummus with pita and both men saying at the same time, "Your hummus even outdoes our hummus"... What's the moral of this story? Food lovers on both sides of the divide are willing to put aside their weapons and their differences if only the humus is excellent. What do you think?
Before I get into your specific question/suggestion, I have to point something out: Arabs love to claim that Israelis stole hummus and felafel to link simple foods to the idea of theft of land. The idea being that Jews all came from Russia and Poland and therefore have no connection to Middle Eastern foods. 55% of Israelis Jews today are of Middle Eastern origin- meaning their grandparents, parents or they themselves come from Arab countries so hummus, felafel etc. is cooked at home. These are the people who generally own the hummus places in Israel (along with many Palestinians). Therefore hummus is just as native for them as it is it for Palestinians. People like me who come from non-Arab backgrounds of course enjoy these foods and eat them often in the same way that Palestinians (and other Arabs) eat potatoes which are NOT native to this side of the world. Arabs always want to focus on the negative (using the word theft) and in this case, use this issue to create a false image of Israelis to serve their needs- to believe that all Jews are colonist thieves even of food- instead of taking it as a compliment that non-Arabs adopted their food and the majority of Israelis have an Arab culture as well.
About your idea. Of course meeting and talking and including food is very important. But it doesn't lead directly to solutions or common ground. There is a phrase for years in Israel relating to Israeli-Palestinian dialogue groups called 'hummus and hugs' referring sarcastically to the belief that if Jews and Arabs just sit down over a plate of hummus, everyone will leave understanding each other. It isn't that easy. If it was, we would have peace years ago. Solutions require years of trying to understand the other even when what they say threatens what you already believe about the other or yourself. It is really tough work. Hummus (and any other food) definitely needs to be involved in my opinion because food calms people, connects people and even brings up issues such as the example above of the theft of hummus as a microcosm example of the conflict in general.
Once again, thanks for your apt, informative and interesting reply, Corey. The cartoon, itself, was extremely humorous but it's hard to describe without the illustration much less trying to translate it from Arabic to English.