if i was a jew would you hurt me ?

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on April 15, 2012 at 9:43am

Good story - here are a few more from teh last few weeks - if he were an Arab would he be hurt?

 

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4208085,00.html

http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=264571

http://www.jpost.com/NationalNews/Article.aspx?id=263964

 

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Permalink Reply by Ahmad Hammouri on April 15, 2012 at 10:49am

thats well put  but you have missed the main idea  first  the attaks are wrong no matter what there is no excuse for a human to harm another  but what i wrote is a story that i saw in my own daily life and not somthing on the media  nor the news  it doesnt matter an arab or a jew  no one should hurt one another ! but  you only gave me one story from online  while i  can give you hundreds of israeli civilians attaking palestinian civilians  and that is just wrong !

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on April 15, 2012 at 11:41am

I can give you a list of hundreds of terror attacks on civillians by Arabs - for teh sole purpose of killing Jewish civillians.....  and not from 65 years ago but from now.  Terrorism against Jews for being Jews is much more prevelant in this areas that violence agianst arabs.  Your example is a strory of a coupel of thugs, terrorists in Palestinan controlled areas are organized murders who target civillians systmatically....

I ask you woudl they hurt them or kill them if they were not Jewish?

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Permalink Reply by Ahmad Hammouri on April 15, 2012 at 6:52pm

your still thinking in the jewish arab mintality wich is waaaay  too old     and leading  us to the distruction of one another  i asked you to think as a human  i dont care about counting how many kills were there in the past but my concern is  to prevent  others from counting more in the future  again think as  human  drop the extremest mentality

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on April 15, 2012 at 9:25pm

Please re-read your original post, then take your own advice.

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Permalink Reply by Ahmad Hammouri on April 16, 2012 at 2:37pm

am sorry what do you mean?

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Permalink Reply by Igor Gonev on April 16, 2012 at 3:03pm

A Jew shoves an Arab and it is a major "life threatening" occurrence , but lets not count actual Jews killed. We want after all Peace and must drop that counting mentality lest there will be no peace.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on April 21, 2012 at 11:21pm

That goes along exactly with what I claim, we cannot go in and negate the past.  So we must drop that counting mentality, because if we cannot we will be just trying to negate the past.  I said that in Shimon Peres' Facebook, that both Israelis and Palestinians can remember the past, but not be obsessed with it.  The problem is that both sides are deeply obsessed with it.

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Permalink Reply by Ahmad Hammouri on April 22, 2012 at 4:22pm

that is what am saying and if you knew any thing of what actually is going on in reality  trust me you wont put such an example "but lets not count actual Jews killed" for jews in palestine killed havnt exceeded  hundreds  during the whole past 50 years  but if you want to count  arabs  then  bring a computer  counting is not  the issue  its the dead humans you count ! this must stop

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on April 21, 2012 at 11:10pm

You are giving a classic example of bigotry and prejudice.  The two sides are so psychologically removed from each other, that they cannot even begin to see each other as being human.  I can see this in people replying to me.  So the only way I can justify myself, is by hurting you?  It is not a Jewish value to inflict harm onto someone else.  The Siddur says "You will love your fellow man, as though you will love yourself."  A hadith by Mohammed, the Prophet says "You will not find faith, until you love your brother, as much as you love yourself."  Muslim clerics define "brother" as all of humanity.  In the New Testament, Jesus Christ says in Matthew 22:39 "Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."  So if you read the holy texts, regardless of what language they are in, they will all tell you to honor your fellow man.  So am I so full of bitterness and anger to do that to anyone?  Then we have to go in, and see what is the cause of that bitterness and anger, and remove it, so that way we can achieve the goal of having two people share a piece of land the same size as the state of New Jersey.  So the question I pose, is how to remove all that bitterness and anger?

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Permalink Reply by Ahmad Hammouri on April 22, 2012 at 4:28pm

Tim i am a palestinian living in palestine now, and i tell you jews are humans  and so are palestinians  but  these days  both sides have no time to think of this nore that  all they think of is how to survive for the next  day  both sides  jews and arabs  they have no time to think of each other  for they already made up their mindes  ,and this mentality is good for the people in charge  for  yes let both sides hate each other while the people in charge gain more mony on the expense of the blood of both of the people  you dont believe me  look  at the  security cordination between Abbas and his people with the israeli side and look at the blood they shed togather in the west bank  amongest palestinians  to protect their comon intrests!

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on April 22, 2012 at 8:37pm

I have very much been involved with changing mentality.  First of all, it can only be done on a grassroots level.  It is hoped that by doing so at a grassroots level, that it can start effecting enough people, and that those people can start making up a voting bloc.  I have brought together so many Israelis and Palestinians who have never even spoken to each other before on an intimate level.  The only thing the Palestinians know about Israelis is speaking to soldiers at check points.  The only thing the Israelis know about Palestinians is asking for directions by a herder alongside a road.  There is no intimacy at all.  That is the reason why they both cannot begin to see each other as human.  When I was at the Seeds of Peace camp, it was bringing together Israeli and Palestinian teenagers, so that way they could learn about each other.  The Israeli teenagers found out that with the Palestinians, it was not a part of their religion to murder Jews.  The Palestinian teenagers found that not all Israelis want to forever hold on to the West Bank.  They both learned how that could live with each other.  Now it is turning what those teenagers learned into political reality.

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