They are simply two different nations... There are a number of DNA studies done that show that Jews from all over the world Russia - Morocco. That their DNA is more similar to those of the Jews to the local population.. There is a reason that Jews have existed as Jews in most countries of the world as a seperate people whether it be in France or Yemen... Jews are not Arabs, or moslems or Europeans or Christrians... They are Jews for better or worse.
I think that is exactly what I mean... not sure why there are no races.......why ?
Definitions for race :
I have gone through a hefty amount of geneticist studies about issue. Only a handful of cuckoos claim different. Also :
I find it hard to believe that Yemenite Jews, for example, are more closely related to Ashkenazi Jews than they are to the people of Yemen. One cannot say that appearance has no relevance. It does. They don't look anything alike, and your genetics does affect your appearance though some people want to act as if it does not. Sephardic Jews from Syria I doubt are more related to Ashkenazis then they are to Syrians and Palestinians. It seems highly unlikely regardless of intermarriage that 2,000 years of the Jews who moved to the Roman areas of Europe and Germany and Poland did not mix significantly with non-Jewish populations whether it be Turkic Khazars, Eastern Europeans, Western Europeans etc..... How is that Yemenite Jews are more similar to Ashkhenazis than Arabs when they look so different from each other? It makes no sense.
Many ancient Jews also became Jews via conversion.
As far as Jews from Sephardic extraction and Mizrahi background, they were definitely influenced when it comes to their cuisine, music, cultural views, and even their poetry and Hebrew was influenced in some measure by Arabic. A very vibrant Jewish Sepharidic culture
flourished for centuries in the Middle East. There is no doubt about it.
Chris, I partially agree with you. I would say that Palestinians, Lebanese, and Syrians were mostly Arabacized and came from Aramaic, Greek, Jewish, Canaanite type stock. They also mixed with ancient Arabians who were Christian and pagans like Bani Ghassan and Bani Taghlib and the Nabateans for the latter. The people of Mecca have some relation to the Nabataens who lived in parts of Jordan, Arabia, Syria, Lebanon, and Palestine. Definitely, most people spoke a form of Aramaic in the Fertile Crescent, but to say people of the Syrian are not Arab is not quite accurate. They are partially Arab because they feel they are Arab and mixed with Arabs, though they are mostly not Arab in ancestry.
For me, hummus and muttabel are other issues. For me, it's a dish of the Syrian region, it's not an Israeli national dish, certainly not for European Jews. The Mizrahi Jews just as the Jews and Christians of Syria who became Muslim (some did not convert) did take from Arabic culture, and Jews also
were influenced by Arabic lingusitics without a doubt. One cannot deny the place of Arabs just as one should not deny the Aramaic heritage of people.
As far as Jews speaking Aramaic in Kurdish areas, I can understand that. I also know that many Kurds converted to Judaism centuries ago. There was a Jewish Kurdish kingdom. It is speculated that the ancient Hebrew may have been an Indo-European Semitic group that took on the Canaanite language. Hebrew is a form of Canaanite, not Aramaic. Thus, a large part of the Canaanite culture had to have been absorbed. I do not deny that the Mizrahim and Sephardim are truly Middle Eastern. They are truly Middle Eastern and the Muslim Arabic speakers of the region mostly got along with them until the 20th century and many Jews assimilated into the larger culture and became Arab-Muslims, I would imagine as did the Christians.
There were times of discrimination, however during a certain Caliph Omar, not to be confused with the first Omar.
I am not a food expert. However, a lot of the dishes we have today are from the ancient past, but also from the time when the Ottoman Empire flourished. There is some speculation that many dishes we eat also connect to the Christian heritage where people used to adhere strictly to a fast.
I am more familiar with other aspects of history. I know that Kibbeh though thought of as a Lebanese dish and promoted as such by the Lebanese is really an Iraqi dish, an ancient one in fact that was eaten by Assyrians.
What interests you in the region? I applaud you for your historical knowledge..
First priority is to refugees who lived in the Holy land and were forcibly exiled by Israel Defence Forces. Everyone else had some choice and already had a country to live in.
If Israel and Israelis are excused for what they have done, the door is open for anyone anywhere to do whatever they like - if they have the military power.
Lets not forget the Copts of Egypt, the Christians in Iraq and Indonesia and Nigeria and Sudan.
Why the need for military power when you can bomb or burn them out. Makes sense to me.
To enjoy the one sided conversations and maybe inject some truth, hopefully.