Sad reality in mideast
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Permalink Reply by Sussan on -
Comments are disabled for this video.
That means the video is not trustworthy.
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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on -
This is usually done to make sure profanities and antisemetic comments are not added... Are you saying this is all Israeli actors, what do you mean not trustworthy, do you not believe this is possible in a hugely anti-semetic country?
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Permalink Reply by Sussan on
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The spam and flag buttons take care of inappropriate comments, and in any case, participants can be blocked by the person who posted the video. I am routinely blocked on many pro-Israeli videos, and yet I have never said anything that was personally defamatory.
The only real reason for disabling comments is because the person who posted the video has a message they want to dump on everyone, and are fully intent on ensuring no one gets a chance to discuss the issue or voice any alternative opinions.
The person posting the video is coming from the position of intolerance, whilst all the while, proclaiming that it is others who show the intolerance.
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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on
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It is a sad reality within the Middle East, but is also a sad reality outside of the Middle East. I see two key phrases here: "Sad Reality" and "intolerance." Tolerance is required for Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza to coexist with each other, that is a given period. It requires nurturing within, and most important of all, international nurturing outside of the Middle East. It is extremely difficult to give it that nurturing, when it is one side standing its ground saying "I stand here, and I spit in the face of them over there." I recently had where I submitted comments to the on-line publication "Elders of Ziyon." It was so vile and obscene what people were saying to me, that I have to stop receiving any feedback. These were all people within the United States. It was things I have heard so many time before "You are an Anti-Semitic Nazi, who supports the killing of Jews." and "You are a liar when you say your mother was Jewish." Not because anything was said about destroying Israel and the Jewish people. But because of finding ways Israel can coexist with its Palestinian neighbors. That is the said reality, and a sad reality within the American public. It is not always information from sources such as videos, but the thinking of the people who take in any type of information. Information and twist it to what they want to believe. That is the sad reality, and the reality that has to be confronted. So do we base Anti-Semitism on what an individual says? Or what is really being done. Many people do not realize that the Nuremberg Laws were enacted over a six year period. That was a clear and obvious danger. But how can we equate that with supporting the rebuilding of an airport in Gaza? I commented on an article today written by a Palestinian woman called "Get An Airport or Get A Life." "The airport will be used to fly in weapons to destroy Israel." Did the weapons that came through the underground tunnels destroy Israel? Why is it that every time a cease-fire is violated, Egypt steps in to quickly broker another? It seems to me that is the reality to look at, and to no longer make it sad.
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Permalink Reply by Sussan on
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Tim, I have problems like this on YouTube. I flag the comments, and sometimes, go back to see if the individual that was flagged has shut up.
I always imagine the people who made the offensive comments are pretending to be Americans. I assume they are settlers living in the West Bank. The settlers stand to lose the lot if Palestinians are ever given equal rights. These people are intent on getting their own way. These uncouth individuals are quite formidable, in their own way, but I assume they are a smallish minority. The problem is, they serve the needs and aspirations of a number of ruthless and powerful international companies, in particular, the arms industry and its supporters.
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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on
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It seems to me that the strong opposition is coming from Jews living outside of Israel, especially in areas such as the United States. Because that is where the world's largest Jewish population is at. It is surprising to talk to the number of American Jews, who have never been to Israel, so they make up for it by espousing extremist beliefs. I see and hear it all the time. They can play it up, that you never trust a Gentile, yet 55% of American Jews are married to non-Jews. I am the product of such a mixed marriage, and my parents were not even married in the United States. Also, I can talk to Americans who support Palestinian rights, while they have never been over to the Middle East, and never even meet a Palestinian. The behavior of both groups is what I call self-righeous. Israeli settlers in the West Bank are too small of a group, and they can be more vocal within Israel. It does not seem probable that any of these groups are paid lobbyists, but more just self-righteous individuals. I am paid for what I do, but not from a government or arms industry. The media can be a very powerful tool, but it can be misused terribly. But also it can be shaped by outside input. I have been successful in trying to formulate the Christian Broadcast Network to start supporting a two-state solution. When in the past Evangelical Christians just stood by supporting the Jewish state, because Jesus Christ was a Jew. You can support the Jewish state, but not at any cost whatsoever. Unfortunately, for the Americans supporting Palestinian rights, so many of them just depend on the internet, that they are not supporting the rights of human beings, but more of freaks.
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Permalink Reply by Basil Keilani on -
Tim, hateful words come from both sides. I remember when I was in New York and told one guy I was Palestinian, and he said, "And you're proud of it". He was a Jew who didn't like Palestinians, I gathered. However, most of my friends were Jewish on campus. Almost, all of them, and they treated me as if I was one of them and accepted me like they accepted their Jewish friends. I've gotten along with a ton of Jewish people. I told one of the guys that if someone bothered him, I'd defend him, and he was touched. And I would have. That said, there is so much ugly hatred from some Jews against Jews they disagree with just as the same exists amongst Arabs. There is intolerance of many different stripes in the region amongst both. It's not a one-way thing. I mean Israel is not a bastion of tolerance. Yes, it does have good gay rights. I grant you that, but the way it treats the Arabs who are citizens is not ideal culturally. Yes, they're citizens, and there are Arab Knesset members, but so what? There have long been Kurdish members of Turkey's parliament in the 1980s, but we knew how Kurds were treated in the 1980s. The Arab-Israelis feel insecure as a minority and vulnerable. However, just as Jeff Stern wants us to see this bad video, I wonder how much he looks at the hateful venom that comes from his camp.
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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on
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That is the irony of the sociology we have to deal with. I personally have had great relations with Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and the United States. I did not discover my Jewish identity until adult years, and in doing so I was warmly welcomed into institutions such as a synagogue and Jewish community center. So my personal philosophy is "Why hate anybody?," and it is back up in the Siddur, where it states "You will love your fellow men, as though you will love yourself." But is is entering the minds of others, to try to instill this type of thinking, which is extremely formidable. Because when we can, then we can starting shaping public policy in regards to minorities within nation-states, and relations among nation-states. Two examples are of the history of race relations within the United States, and relations during the Cold War. When we see results today, the intense bigotry and hatred between black and white no longer exists -- and do I sure remember when it did exist, -- and the Soviet Union evolved into Russia, and is no longer the nuclear power that wants to destroy us. So that is the goal of Israeli-Palestinian relations, to make the past into what Ronald Reagan once said about his evil empire when in Moscow "that was another place, another time."
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Permalink Reply by Sussan on
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Israel is dependent on having an image of vulnerability.
USA loves looking like the big protector.
What will happen if the average man-on-the-street ever succeeds in figuring out what is going on?
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Permalink Reply by BOB BONDARIS on
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Tim:
I have never heard anybody who is Jewish quoting a "Siddur" that is not where Jews look for answers.
Perhaps you should read up on race relations in The USA and Russian support for Syria and Iran? I am aghast at the comments that you keep making.
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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on
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The Siddur is a prayer book, so what do you use if for? Why do you think blacks are still going to kill you? Russia's relations with Syria and Iran, does not represent thermonuclear war with the United States.
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Permalink Reply by BOB BONDARIS on
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The Siddur is a daily prayer book and nothing else. The precepts of Judaism are based on the Torah ,but someone who is not Jewish would not know that.
I never said that blacks are going to kill me or anyone else but rather disputed your assertions that the white-black schism in the USA is healed and over. Syria and Iran do in fact represent the possibility of thermonuclear was with Israel, Europe and the USA otherwise why all the efforts to stop them..
When not defending the Arabs what do you do in your civilian life (job wise)?
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