Sad reality in mideast

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on July 29, 2012 at 6:08am

If the Siddur is so meaningless, then all the synagogues should throw them out. I must be a professional Arab ass kisser.

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Permalink Reply by BOB BONDARIS on July 30, 2012 at 1:44am

The Siddur in the scheme of things is not meaningless but is not what you portray it to be. I just pointed out that were you Jewish , as you claim, you would know it.

As for you other statement again I will agree with you, mind you just to be polite After all who knows you better than yourself, so who am I to argue.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on July 30, 2012 at 2:54am

"I am so profoundly Jewish, that I stand behind Israel and everything it does to fight it enemies which try to destroy it." If Mitt Romney say that during his campaign, he might will be able carry the state of Florida. Because it sounds great to American Jews, who just sit in their comfortable safe homes and do everything for Israel on the internet. But let us get off the internet for a moment, and talk about the lives of people in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza. For what they experience goes beyond the safety of the internet, and the safety of their homes in the United States. Then you can see why I quote the Siddur with its line "You will love your fellow man, as though you will love yourself." Because it is not based on the safety of a home in the United States, it is based on the pillage I have seen in Sderot and Gaza. So if seeing that pillage, makes me less Jewish, then that is going to have to be the opinion of a pampered armchair activist sitting at their computer in the good ole safe United States, basing the future of Israel on what either Barack Obama or Mitt Romney says about its safety, not about the future of either the Israeli and Palestinian people. I hope that is polite enough for you. Judaism is divided up into Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, and Reconstructionist, not pampered armchair American activist. Even Golda Meir was not one.

Permalink Reply by BOB BONDARIS on July 30, 2012 at 3:41am

Tim: If you bothered to read the various Rabbis on its interpretation, you would know that the literal translation is-"you should love thy fellow Jew as you love yourself" . Which part of the Siddur is it actually stated in?

The :pillage" in Gaza is self imposed and there really is no pillage other than a self defense after hundred if not thousand of rockets and terror attempts against Israeli civilians in Sderot and environs.

The average Israeli demands much more than that and in fact there have been calls to level Gaza so that the tens of thousands of rockets cannot be used against Israel again.

" I must be a professional Arab ass kisser." I guess you must know yourself extremely well.

Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on July 30, 2012 at 9:26am

Basil this is on official Egytion TV.. where they had people getting in violet rage when thinking that Jews were involved in a broudcast and it is meant to be a joke.... dont you understand the level of hate, on a public level... please show me Israeli TV where anyone would dare say such a think amd not be shunned or kicked off the program... This is the reality in the mideast..

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on July 26, 2012 at 2:31pm

The bottom line that a peace plan will not help if this is the underling attitude of Israels peace partners.. they call for death to Jews and talk of pure hatred on state TV.... this make prospects for peace seen quite far off..

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on July 26, 2012 at 8:19pm

Peace does require two participates, for that is what Ariel Sharon echoed in "there is no partner to negotiate with." So that is where it falls more into the hands of grassroots, and the challenge of grassroots is to shape public policy, i.e., Hamas doctrine. Far off, it can be, but also it takes a lot of perseverance.

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Permalink Reply by BOB BONDARIS on July 27, 2012 at 4:00am

Tim

Can you please translate into English what you just said. I am reminded of that famous saying when computers first came out-Garbage In,Garbage Out.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on July 27, 2012 at 4:22am

Obviously you like to feed on conflict. That is plain English enough.

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Permalink Reply by BOB BONDARIS on July 29, 2012 at 5:21am

Tim.

And you got all of this from me saying that your mambo,jumbo, triple talk was incomprehensible.?

Can I assume that you quoted the Siddur on that?

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on July 29, 2012 at 5:33am

I quote the Siddur for what it says "You will love your fellow man, as though you will love yourself." It is not impossible, for that is what I practice.