Superbe video on the non-violent resistance in Palestine - JUST WANTED TO SHARE...

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Permalink Reply by Neri Bar-On on April 5, 2011 at 3:55pm

Samira,

The problem we see in this movie is not about the justification of Killing. The killing should not be in any way and special care should be toward civilians but the reality is that the killing exists and non of us accept it.

The problem with the film is that its narrative put the Israel side as killing without reason where it justify violence against the evil element - Israel.

to end the killing we need to change our relationships and have more inclusive image of us as one human tissue with respect of both sides. respect mean that we do not say Palestinians are terrorists we should avoid that from saying about the Israelis.

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Permalink Reply by Samira Al Kais on April 4, 2011 at 8:50pm

...and how do you know that the soldier is a Jew?... He's Israeli, for sure. But do you know that there are Israelis with other religions, too? 20% of Israels population is Muslim. But there are also Druzes, Baha'is, Christians, atheists, Buddhists and what not? Most Druzes serve in the IDF. As soldiers they are supposed to do what they are told to do, and to be loyal to the Israeli state. They represent Israel. Or it could be a Christian... How do you know that he is Jewish, and not simply Israeli?

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on April 4, 2011 at 9:39pm

Its a pity you are keeping this up and there is no moderator to stop this - I honestly find this offensive and in no way in line with the rules of the site.

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Permalink Reply by Sussan on April 5, 2011 at 3:32am

There are moderators, and they do act on offensive comments.

Tony was the last one to be moderated - his stuff is all still here, so you can examine the content, if you are so inclined.

 

What is it Jeff, that you thought should be moderated?

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on April 5, 2011 at 11:37am

The video of the cold blooding killing of innocents on the street - I find it quite horrifying... To use this as a peace tool seems inflamitory and offensive, not in teh theme of the site...

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Permalink Reply by Sussan on April 5, 2011 at 4:15am

Jeff talks the talk, so I am happy to accept him as Israeli.  Besides, any Jew anywhere can claim Israeli citizenship, no questions asked. Jeff has a right to his opinions, as do we.

 

I have even met - over the internet - the grand daughter of a Nazi who converted to Judaism and now lives in Israel. She too is Israeli and Jewish, although she no longer supports the policies of Israel - that said, she is comfortable about living on a settlement.

 

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on April 5, 2011 at 11:41am

Its like that son of the big shot Hamas guy who started to work for the Shin Bet because he did not like Hamas policy of killing civillians: http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/haaretz-exclusive-hamas-f...

 

Amazing story - shows there is hope.

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on April 5, 2011 at 11:45am

I recently moved to Israel and have Israeli citizenship - also served in the army....

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Permalink Reply by Jeff stern on April 5, 2011 at 11:44am

Well, I am assuming that Palestinians who are fighting for their National freedom would be doing it against Israel, that was the point of teh person who posted it and seems quite obvious...why would an Argentinian be shooting Palestinians?

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Permalink Reply by Samira Al Kais on April 4, 2011 at 9:02pm

I JUST FOUND THE VIDEO WITH ENGLISH SUBTITLES. - THE VIDEO WAS MADE IN BELGIUM. (The "Israeli soldier" is played by a Christian)

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Neri Bar-On on April 5, 2011 at 3:57pm

Samira,

 

 What is youur image of peace here? what will be the state of human condition here in Palestine and Israel when we will have peace?

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Stewart Mills on April 5, 2011 at 11:15pm

The French video (Samira)

This was an artistic characterisation of the Palestinian struggle for independence.  In no way was such a piece of work the final word on this topic.  It showed that no matter how many people were killed Palestine would eventually find freedom.  As rightfully identified the danger with such artistic representations of the conflict is misrepresentation of 'the other'.  In this case it is important that artist work like this is balanced by artistic work that includes Israelis working side-by-side for Palestinian independence (or even for a binational state as some groups hope for in the future).  Personally, I was moved by the video.  However, I agree that the video is fraught with multiple representations or misrepresentations.  But that is art. Art, it is provocative.   The question is how do we respond to the emotions conveyed?

 

My response is let us use such artistic input to create a society that respects the dignity of life for all.

 

The Israeli video (Neri)

I thought this was a brilliant video that modelled the best that Israel is.  It showed Jewish-Israelis standing side-by-side with Palestinian-Israelis in respect of the best of pluralism, democracy and human rights.  It would be interesting to see this video made in other parts of Israel or in the settlements where the response would have been of acquiesence and agreement with the shop keeper.  The fact that this video was made in Hebrew demonstrates that Israel does have a problem with racism within the community.  Otherwise the video would be of no interest.

 

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