The Arab streets are becoming bloodier and bloodier. Dictators are simply killing innocent unarmed rotesters in teh street. Libya has almost killed 100 - the last 15 were with snipers at a funeral.
Why is the UN quiet? Why are all those fighting for human rights of the Palestians and Arabs quiet?
Why do I feel that personal politics takes precident over human rights violation. While the UN is discussing settlement building - yes BUILDING homes - hundred are being murdered in the street.
WAKE UP TO THE REALITY!
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I think there is nothing to discuss, Dan. Arafat said many times that he didn't want to negotiate while Israel was building the settlements. Mahmoud Abbas said so. The UN has dealt with settlements before because it was not part of Israeli sovereignty. The UN does not recognize Israeli control over the West Bank, so it's an international issue. I do not support any Arab leader, Palestinian or not, to have relations with Israel so long as it grabs land from other Arabs and demolishes homes. It does both. Arafat resisted talks before when Israel built settlements and was pressured to come back to the table, so nothing is new. It's only Israel calling it new. Palestinians have objected to talks before while settlements get built.
When Israel is serious about peace by showing it doesn't want destroy homes in Silwan and build settlements there and also do the same in the West Bank, then it makes sense to talk.
I wouldn't want to talk to someone who believes in hurting my cousin. I have more pride than that. We are not bought like some people with dollars.
Taking land from Palestinians is a human rights issue. I understand for some people Palestinians are not humans, and Israelis are humans so they don't have human rights. That's Israel's attitude. Taking land from Palestinians with land deeds in the West Bank is a human rights issue for people who see Palestinians as human. Once upon a time people didn't see your people as human in Europe. Don't forget it. They did the same to Muslims and Jews in Spain and where did the Spanish Jews go? To Syria and Morocco. Don't forget the old friendship that once existed. Jews lived in security for centuries with Arabs and as Arabs. Why take our lands and say it's not a human rights issue. It is. We are human.
Arafat and Abbas said many things - THEY STILL TALKED WHILE SETTLEMENTS WERE BEING BUILT!!!!!
Just answer this question why now is this different??????
All you can talk about is taking land and destroying homes - I agree move on!!!!!
If there is an empty mountain in the West Bank - no deeds, no ownership - it was part of the Turkish empire, an empty hill..... Jews want to live there. They want to build a house there, you say they cannot because they are Jewish. You say that if they build a house it is a human rights issue? I am sorry I just dont see it....
If there is a final settlement and there is a decision that the house needs to be removed it will be done as it has in the past... but dont try comparing that to teh Spanish Inquisition...
There was never a state of Palestine - the land was not taken from Palestine, it was taken from Jordan who gave up claim on the land.......
Israel is the only country to give the Palestinians any sort of automomy - no one else did, no the Turks, Brits or Egypt. nThe land is not occupied, it is a mistaken term it is disputed. Occupied would imply that it inherently belongs to someone, it does not.
Settlements might be "obstacles' to peace but they can easily be removed, they should not stop negotiation and teh UN should let the parties settle it for themselves.... Should Israel try to get PA condemnation in the Security Council for all teh suicide bombers? 5,000 rocket his Israeli civilian cities where no military. Simply an attack on civilians, this continued for years. Why was there no Security Council resolution? But Settlements this is worthy? come -on!
I support Jews and Arabs to live together as Albert Einstein, I.F. Stone, Martin Buber said.
I prefer two states instead of Arabs and Jews fighting for another 80 years. We have a choice either to fight for another 80 years and have our grandchildren fight. I will be gone and dead. I can only hope we can stop it.
I think if Jews want to live Ramallah and Nablus downtown they are welcome after a peace agreement where there is a clear Palestine and where even Jewish neighborhoods are part of Palestine and vote with the Arabs in elections and represent their districts. I don't understand why Israel can't accept that. We can live with them, but not as one group being masters and the others being under their control. We are in the year 2011.
There is not need for slave and master, Catholic over Jew, Jew over Muslim, Muslim over Jew. It's time to work to move from this sectarian thing.
With the settlements, Palestinians are not allowed to settle in Tel Aviv and Haifa because we don't have the army to force Israelis to accept that. Would people in Tel Aviv and Haifa say it is not a big deal if Palestinians and Arab became very powerful in 80 years and started destroying their neighborhoods and pushing them into smaller areas? Israel built in the Sinai. It's true, and Sharon dismantled it. However, the Sinai is much bigger than all of Palestine and Israel combined. It's much bigger. When you build and push people in a smaller area
and build huge neighborhoods and take so much water, the people will suffer. They will suffer, and they do.
What exactly, Dan, can you give for peace? What do you see in terms of how Palestinians feel? Do you know any Palestinians? Do you think of what they need and go through? You say building settlements and demolishing homes are not a big deal. Picture yourself as a husband, a father with children and you watch bulldozers take down your home. How would you feel in front of your wife and children as a man?
Do you think of the Arab men who deal with that? It's horrible.
What is this civil versus political reason? What is this non-political reason for demolishing homes? People say that the Arabs are simply against the building of Jewish homes. Are you supporting building Arab neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and Herzliya. Those people making such claims and trying to use anti-Semitism don't want Arab neighborhoods even built by Arab-Israelis.
I have many friends who were thrown out of their homes they lived for 30 years in and had them destroyed. They have had their synagoage defaced and used for cattle. I know it is less impornat to you because they were Jews living in Gaza but they are tramatized.
I also have friends whose families were killed in suicide bombings of fanatics who beleive the more civillians the y can kill the more chance they will get their Virgins in heaven.... BUT THIS IS NOT RELEVENT TO the discussion.
"I think if Jews want to live Ramallah and Nablus downtown they are welcome after a peace agreement where there is a clear Palestine and where even Jewish neighborhoods are part of Palestine and vote with the Arabs in elections and represent their districts. I don't understand why Israel can't accept that. We can live with them, but not as one group being masters and the others being under their control. We are in the year 2011." - Jews could never and would never live under a Palestinain authority - they would be massacred within days.
A non political reason for destroying a home could be a home was built were a road is supposed to be, or an area was zoned for something else... Not sure u are aware but many home demolitions happen to Jews inside Israel proper for not having permits to build... for civil reasons.... Arabs have neighborhoods in Tel Aviv and Arab citizens are free to live anywhere in the country they want, I have arab neighbors in Tel Aviv. I have zero problem with that. The supermarket on my block it owned by Arabs,