think of it as a human dont consider these as an arab or jew

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Permalink Reply by Igor Gonev on April 19, 2012 at 1:10am

Wow. The mere mention of Abbass as a dictator is enough to compare this with bigotry, prejudice and bestiality.

Out of the mouths of Babes!!!!

Wow, i am flubergusted.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on April 19, 2012 at 1:32am

If we can put our anger and prejudice aside, then no body has to be offended.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on April 19, 2012 at 1:28am

First of all, the United States is not a parliamentary democracy.  It cannot have a vote of no-confidence to bring a government down.  What the United States must do, is have elections every four years.  The United States had a president resigned, but when that happened, there was no call for new elections.  Just that the out going president was replaced.  The Palestinians do have a constitution dating from 2003, which states that the president can declare a state of emergency for up to 30 days.  What I know about this constitution is that if it goes beyond that time, then the Legislative Council must call for new elections.  About his ability, I do not know if that means that he alone can call for new elections.  Where the parliamentary democracies of both Israel and the Palestinians differ from the American form of democracy, is that the American model is very rigid.  So the question is did Abbas have the authority outside of the Legislative Council to call for new elections?  The equivalent of a Legislative Council in the United States, is the Supreme Court.  But unlike a Legislative Council, the Supreme Court cannot call for new elections, so what the Supreme Court did was declare a winner.

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Permalink Reply by Igor Gonev on April 19, 2012 at 5:19am

Are you telling us that the Palestinians have a democracy and that it is on par with Israel. I am still rubbing my eyes ,so please confirm that this is what you actually wrote.Was there ever a time when the Prime Minister (not President) in Israel stayed on after his(her) term has expired.

What anger and what prejudice are we talking about here? Just discussing forms of government.

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on April 19, 2012 at 6:26am

Do not take my word for it, check with the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace,  That way you can find out how Palestinian politics is set up.  No it is not on par with Israel, but both an Israeli prime minister and a Palestinian president can rule by decree of state of emergency.  So far a Palestinian president has used it, but an Israeli prime minister has not.  Where they are not on par with each other, is that Israeli politics has not been in turmoil, but Palestinian politics is.  President Shimon Peres is a ceremonial figure head just like Queen Elizabeth is, but Abbas is granted more authority.  So does that make him a dictator, or being in the middle of a factious Palestinian government?

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Permalink Reply by Sussan on April 19, 2012 at 1:33pm

The conflict between Israel and Palestine would be the same, even if the Palestinians had the most perfect democracy; because Israel has total control, irrespective of any Palestinian political system.

 

And yet you all say - the conflict is entirely the fault of the Palestinians. 

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Permalink Reply by Tim Upham on April 19, 2012 at 9:03pm

April 24th is Israeli/Palestinian Remembrance Day.  It is being organized by Combatants for Peace.  I have dealt with them in Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza as Bereaved Families.  What they are is both Israelis and Palestinians, who had relatives killed by the other side, and have joined together saying "this has to stop, this cannot go on anymore."  This is what I am strongly advocating.  So I do not know if others want to join, and put their bitterness and side taking out of the door?  Because the things that have been submitted to me, has been exactly that.  I have read so much bitterness and side taking on this website, that it should be called "Metakingsides."  So it can be changed from saying it is entirely the fault of the Palestinians, to these are the weaknesses the Palestinians have and need to be strengthen to negotiate with Israel.  And these are the weaknesses the Israelis have and need to be strengthen to negotiate with the Palestinians.  Because this side taking is just feeding the overall conflict.  Some of this stuff I have read has been so vulgar and so factually incorrect.  Palestinian democracy is infantile, and it needs to be strengthened.  If they can hold elections on May 4th, then hopefully that can show signs of strengthening.

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