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Permalink Reply by Kingsley Hartman on January 9, 2012 at 9:54pm Irit.
What exactly do you stand for.
What should be done about Gaza?
What should be done about terror?
What should be done about kidnappings?
What should be done about Jaffam, Acco ,Haifa?
If we agree to all these and do nothing about terror, kidnappings and self defense-WILL WE HAVE PEACE?
Permalink Reply by Kingsley Hartman on January 9, 2012 at 9:30pm Irit
I want, I wish, my country to be the honest one it had been until the occupation. Only people who live here can tell the real differences.
What "occupation are you referring to , the one in 1948 or the one in 1867? We were very honest until either and for our honesty we were invaded by 6 Arab armies in 1948 and terrorized between 1948 and 1967 and than the Arabs told us to learn how to swim as they were going to push us into the Med. But I guess nothing has changed for some Israeli loving Jews. But that last comment is really laughable as the Israelis living there have elected a RIGHT wing government and the Left has been almost killed off. Hardly anyone wants to end the "OCCUPATION" and no one wants to depose Natanyahu because there is no "peace talks". So I guess Israelis do know the real difference.
Permalink Reply by Kingsley Hartman on January 9, 2012 at 9:40pm Irit. Right, you do not agree with everything that "Hamas does" and what about the charters of Hamas and the PLO? I have looked through all the archives of Mepeace and have not seen a single condemnation by you of the rockets ,stabbings or other deeds by the Palestinians but I do see a lot of ink about those dastardly Israelis and the IDF making the lives of Gazans and Palestinians a living hell (My transliteration). So what does that mean as to your preoccupation with Gaza ,Judea and Samaria as compared to Sderot and other cities in Israel being rocketed?
Do you complain to the Palestinians in these Bi-national meeting? I bet not, but you do complain about the IDF, if one can correlate your writing here.
So please lets stop with some manufactured righteous indignation for pointing out what I perceive to be reality as spoken through your posts. I am not writing about you but rather reflecting on your posts. If you think that I am unfair that debunk my impressions and show me who you are.
You may not find much of my writing here - there is somewhere else I am writing.
You do not know me, or my activity - but you judge me.
You self-righteous and insulting. You address me as if I am on trial.
I have no wish to talk with you.
Have a good day.
Permalink Reply by Kingsley Hartman on January 10, 2012 at 12:27am Irit.
Running away when someone does not agree with you is in fact a sign that one does not believe in their convictions. You would be better served to show me where I have been wrong and where I have misjudged or insulted you. Disagreeing with someone is certainly not an insult. You made a statement and I called you on it but instead you just ignored it and changed the subject and showed your righteous indignation as if no one has a right to his/her opinion.
We disagree and I have no problem with that.
BTW, I am frequently in Israel and have friends and colleagues in very high places so I am familiar with the State of affairs in Israel and am very actice in the Jewish/Israeli community in Toronto.
Permalink Reply by Kingsley Hartman on January 11, 2012 at 4:59am IRIT Ghazi brought up an article by Barry Rubin and here is a snippet. It fits in nicely what I said about-Running away as in the following post to you.
But here’s the relevant part for all of us: my colleague explained that there had been about 300 comments to that article, some positive and most negative. And, he recounted, not a single one of the negative responses cited a single fact. They did not say, for example: “Oh, you’ve gotten the numbers wrong,” or “Here’s a critical point you missed.”
No, the theme of every attack was that “only a fascist would say this” or “you cannot say such a thing.”
What these people were saying is that they don’t have to argue with you or pay attention to what you are saying. They can just close their eyes, put their hands over their ears, and scream: “Liar! Evil person! You have no right to disagree with us or else we will destroy you.”
If there is to be peace in the world we must stop the blaming. Do not forget that wars start with words, then they evolve into mass genocide. If we are going to talk about these issues we must look for solutions, not perpetuate the same vitriolic arguments that start these conflicts in the first place. SOPORIFFICK LOVES YOU PEACE FOR INFINITY OO
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