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stop the madness, thats enough

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Started by Roger Tucker. Last reply by no one some one Aug 7, 2010. 1 Reply

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Comment by no one some one on July 22, 2010 at 10:32am
نلنعلم كيف علينا حماية الضحايا
؟؟لمذا لانجمع كافة البيانات عن ضحايا الصراع العربي الاسرائيلي وخاصه من الاطفال لنعلم
Comment by no one some one on July 22, 2010 at 10:22am
ما هو الوضع الحالي لارض فلسطين اليس فيها دوله واحده هي اسرائيل ؟؟؟؟؟هل هذا هو الوضع المقبول لديكم؟؟؟؟
اذا كانت اعنصريه في اسرائيل هي الولاء وكانت الحريه هي اعتداء والديمقرااطيه هي لليهود والمقاومه هي ارهاب والسلام هو ان ينكر العرب وغير اليهود حقوقهم بل ويتنازلوا ايضا عن اي حق يمنحهم اياه القانون الاسرائيلي بالخطأ واذا كانت الازهار والقمح والطحين هو لتهديد دوله اسرائيل واذا كان النظام والاستقرا واذا كان كل من يعادي الصهيونيه والاحتلال هو معادي للساميه اليس انتم من تنادون بالسلام تشكلون الخطر الاكبر على كيان اسرائيل المحتل العنصري .
Comment by Nicolette on January 10, 2010 at 4:05pm
Rabbi Mivasair,

I think your views are excellent.

As an outsider, my idea of Israel has always been exactly what you mentioned: it is multicultural!

I don't know how, politically, you all can win people over with this idea, given the historical, political, religious and geopolitical realities though, but I wish you much luck. It is by far Israel's best selling point and PR strategy, I think.

For reference, the Economist did a review of a book a couple of years back. The book and review were about the benefits of the one-state solution, and the review discussed India and Pakistan. It is possible that India, a nation sharing a similar post-colonial history, would offer good lessons. Three people I know from India expressed amazement at our "Western" interest and obsession with the Palestinian/Israeli "conflict." (In other words, you might find a more neutral and unbiased population to win over.) Less connection with the U.S. would also be a benefit in your quest. Since Israel and India have good relations and are both in the same league as far as nuclear capabilities, it does make some sense, at least to me..

Current trends in the globalized post-secular world don't really support self-determination based on religion any more. It is a kind of uphill battle, sad as that may be for Zionist ideas. Things change, those who can adapt survive best, as they say.
shalom
Comment by Rabbi David Mivasair on January 10, 2010 at 11:01am
Myron, you started this group. Would you share your thoughts, please, on my comment re "bi-national"? I'd love to hear from you. -- David
Comment by Rabbi David Mivasair on January 10, 2010 at 11:00am
I still think the word "bi-national" does not express the highest goal or the best arrangement. It still makes people be part of one "nation" or the other. Many people are actually not part of either "the Jews" or "the Palestinians".
I would really like to see this group here on this list simply drop the word "bi-national" from its vision as expressed above.
Comment by Rabbi David Mivasair on December 17, 2009 at 8:59pm
Inbal, I love your questions. You say my ideas are in the American model. To me, your thinking is so very Israeli! Let's explore this . . .
There IS a story of the Land of Israel . . . or Palestine or whatever we call it. And, it is a story that I think everyone can share and identify with. (I have many Zionist books on my shelf from before 1948 talking about Palestine. Just think, even, of the newspaper "Palestine Post" which later became the Jerusalem Post.) The story of that land is exactly that: the story of that land. It includes Jews, Arabs, Turks, Crusaders, Persians and more and more . . . you know it better than I do. So why does that have to be a "Jewish" story. When I think of Israel, I think of it all. It is a very multi-cultural place. So, why not embrace and celebrate it all?
Your questions are very good ones. They are your real questions as someone living there and feeling herself to be part of one of the peoples there but not part of the others.
To me the answers are simple. The walls around the Old City of Jerusalem were built by Salah al-Din. The tower near the Jaffa Gate that we Jews like to call Migdal David was built by Muslims to be the minaret of a mosque. There is a Russian Compound, a German Colony, and Ethiopian Quarter, a Bukharian neigbourhood, a hospital called Augusta Victoria and another one started by the Knights of St. John. There are Greek monasteries, Jewish yeshivas, synagogues, museums . . . American universities . . . So what?! They are all part of that reality. Why not simply embrace it all? The people who today identify as Jews come from all over the world, have all different kinds of histories and legacies woven into them. Some are converts who weren't born Jewish. So what?! And, the people who identify as Palestinians today are also a huge mix. I know Palestinians with the family name Masri -- they are from Egypt. I know Palestinians who are obviously descended from Africans. One of the first Palestinians I ever met (in university in in the USA in 1970) was Sami Bandak, nephew of Bethlehem mayor Elias Bandak. He was a ג'נג'י (redhead) and told me proudly that his family name originally was Benedici and they are Christians descended from Crusaders. OK, now they are Palestinians. Again, why not simply embrace everyone's reality. We are all a mix and the history of the Land of Israel is a mix. It's beautiful. It is the story of humanity! (I think we need to drop our romanticism and fantasies and really hold tight to REALITY!) The reality is that many different kinds of people live there, always have and always will.
I would love to say much more about this, Inbal, but don't want to make this too long. Honestly, I have never discussed this before. It is an idea that is growing in me. The beginning of this discussion was: why a "bi-national" state; why not simply a state regardless of nationalities. I think that would be great. Everyone has a nationality, i.e. a לאום, but the state itself doesn't have to have a "nationality". That is actually a modern idea. Many states through history were not "national" states.
Please write again and tell me what you think . . .
בשלום,
דוד
Comment by Rabbi David Mivasair on December 17, 2009 at 1:48am
Inbal, my sense is that the people who live in a culture and who want to keep it alive are the ones who shape it. I would not personally be involved in a "Jewish-Muslim-Christian" culture. I am a Jew and, if I am going to pick a specific culture, that's the one I pick. In fact, there are many different Jewish cultures. My Jewish culture is different from the one in Meah Shearim or Bnei Barak and is different also from the one on Rehov Shenkin (or wherever). Similarly, there are a spectrum of Muslim cultures and Christian cultures among Palestinians -- as well as completely non-religious, not Muslim and not Christian cultures among various Palestinians. And, over all this, there is a wider, broader human culture or even regional or local culture that is not "Jewish" or "Muslim" or "Christian" or any of those . . . there is so much that people in a small country like Israel-Palestine share . . . whether they want to or not.
I would love to be part of a country that simply allows people to create and live in their own cultures and doesn't worry that one is dominant and one is "minority" or anything like that. There can be schools in different languages. Different people can celebrate different holidays. It is very possible for us humans to do this and would be a lot less trouble than having to kill each other and destroy each others' homes and lives.
All the very best to you,
דוד
Comment by Rabbi David Mivasair on April 27, 2009 at 10:52pm
Friends, I wonder why the word "bi-national" is important to people. Why not simply aim for a state for all its inhabitants? Why is it important to be any-national? I am writing now from Jerusalem and was all day in RamAllah. I am a Jew and a rabbi. I really think we can do better than still holding on to the idea that the "state" has to be connected to "nation" in the sense of an ethnic group. I respectfully ask if holding on to "bi-national" is really the highest vision we can aspire to.
Comment by Rabbi David Mivasair on April 27, 2009 at 10:50pm
For access to a wide variety of thoughtful, informed positions, please see http://www.yorku.ca/ipconf/index.html.
Comment by Zaki Harhash on April 27, 2009 at 9:38pm
Palestinean & Jews will live in peace and harmoney and will succed economically and all neigbouring countries too. Fanatics will disapear with time.
 

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