This topic is the result of some comments on this blog Antisemitism Embedded in British Culture (JCPA -- 1 July 2008)
Here is the comment on that blog which triggered me to start this discussion: "Concerning Israel and 'ethnic cleansing' the first major statement here was made by David Ben Gurion in 1938 "I am for compulsory transfer, I do not see anything immoral in it". It seems obvious to me that 'compulsory transfer' is equivalent to 'ethnic cleansing so Ilan Pappe has a good title on his book 'The ethnic cleansing of Palestine', from 2006. In my opinion this book should be mandatory reading for everyone with a deeper interest in Israel/Palestine relations."
My response to that comment was: "Pappe has a certain appeal to a certain group of people. He has been quoted as saying "Facts are for pedants." Pappe certainly often (and probably deliberately often) ignores the whole of the factual context while he focuses on what he sees as the important political objective (of some people)."
The obvious facts are:
- All Arabs lands, except what now is Israel, were for practical purposes ethnically cleansed of Jews.
- What now is Israel was never ethnically cleansed of non-Jewish Arabs who continue to be one of the many (disadvantaged) minority groups of people in that less than perfect State called Israel.
I think that it is reasonable in the light of the really available facts to:
- Ask about the:Ethnic cleansing of and in Arab lands (including Palestine), who really did what to whom?
- Explore whether my response was reasoned and reasonable and justifiable
- Ask whether Pappe really is a credible and academically ethical historian.
- Ask whether even if what Pappe wrote about David Ben Gurion is explicity and implicitly accurate and is the whole of the relevant truth, how relevant and important this snippet about David Ben Gurion is now and regarding what happened in 1947 and 1948 to many non-Jewish Arabs in what then was British-administered Palestine and then became the State of Israel.
Please try to stick to this topic or ask me (as the initiator of this discussion) to restate it. Or, start another discussion if you want to introduce another topic. Thanks. :-)