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The one on Palestinian side know much about those crimes is Dr Mahmoud Sa'adeh from Yatta in Hebron!

Dear All,

Yesterday (Monday) we went with Iyad to search for and photograph evidence to document the military waste and dangerous materials that the IOF leaves in the area of the Jahalin Bedouin in the south Hebron hills. Iyad took us to visit a family whose child’s leg was badly burnt a month ago when he was playing in the desert with ammunition remains left behind by the Israeli military. Nothing could have prepared us for our meeting with the boy, whose name is Jabar, even though he had received medical attention at Yata [a nearby city]. The condition of his leg is shocking, and it will be a miracle if he does not lose his leg.

This resulted from his playing with some sort of acid that resembles salt (who knows what the implications are). Jabar, who is 13 years old, is urgently in need of medical treatment.

According to Iyad and the family, the care that he received at Yata was typical of the attitude there towards the Bedouins who come there for medical care.

We contacted the Physicians for Human Rights and B’tselem, and as a result the child will go today to a hospital in Hebron, accompanied by Issa from B’tselem, and hopefully from there to a hospital in Israel.

Following our visit, we went to the dessert and found evidence of the controlled explosions that the Israeli military performs, and the salt-like waste that charred the youngster.

The military does not bother to in any way indicate the presence of the dangerous chemicals it leaves behind.

I attach pictures of the boy and of the evidence we found.

The photos were also sent to B’tselem.

Hopefully, the child will get to the hospital today, and not lose his leg.


----- Original Message -----
From: אהוד קריניס
To: Ehud Krinis
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2008 10:50 AM
Subject: מה ראינו באום דרג'

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Efrat Noy
Date: 24/06/2008 16:17
Subject: Fwd: מה ראינו באום דרג'

שלום לכולם

אתמול (יום שני) יצאנו עם עיד כדי לחפש ולצלם עדויות לדווחים על

פסולת נפלים ותחמושת וחומרים מסוכנים שמשאיר צה"ל

בשטחי המרעה של שבט ג'האלין המתגוררים באזור אום דרג' (מזרחה

לאום אל חיר/התנחלות כרמל). עיד לקח אותנו לבקר משפחה

ששמע כי אחד מילדיה נכווה ברגלו לפני כחודש תוך משחק במדבר עם שאריות תחמושת של הצבא.

שום דבר לא הכין את כולנו למפגש עם הילד-(ששמו ג'אבר אבן מוסא

למרות שלכאורה קיבל טיפול ביאטה, מצב הרגל שלו פשוט מזעזע

וזה יהיה נס אם לא יאבד אותה

כל זאת כתוצאה ממשחק עם איזושהי חומצה דמוית מלח (מי יודע מה ההשלכות)

הילד, בן 13, זקוק לטיפול ד-ח-ו-ף!!! לטענת עיד והמשפחה

הטיפול שקיבל ביאטה אופייני ליחס לו זוכים הבדואים בבואם לקבל טיפול רפואי מפלסטינים

לאחר שיצרנו קשר עם רופאים לזכויות אדם ועם בצלם הילד ילקח היום לביה"ח בחברון

בליווי עיסא מבצלם שידאג שלא יפלו אותו בטיפול, בתקווה שיקבל הפנייה לבי"ח בישראל.

לאחר הביקור יצאנו למדבר ומצאנו עדויות לפיצוצים המבוקרים של צה"ל ולאותו חומר דמוי מלח.

הצבא לא דאג לסמן בשום דרך את המצאותם של חומרים מסוכנים באזור

אני מצרפת תמונות של הילד ושל השטח.

התמונות נשלחו גם לבצלם.

אינשאללה הילד יגיע היום לבי"ח ולא יאבד את רגלו

להתראות לכולם


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who are those people? If I am one of those pls post on my wall.
Paul, I think this post is not useful at all. my impression it brings bad feeling.

Noa, should I close the discussion and open it, if any one has an update to Jaber case?
For any action we need to be planed, we do this in the plan-group.
what do you think?
Jafra, to be honest, I am feeling a bit frustrated. I sent email, I made phonecalls, I spoke with the man (Ezra) that took Jaber a few times to the hospital, I updated here in detail that he is fine. I wrote about the further legal issues that I think need to be dealt with. Also Max repeated this update along the same lines, explaining that the issue is now a broader one and we have to have more information to decide how to proceed.
so yes, I think that this specific story is solved, and now if you want to deal with the larger issues of chemical waste dumping and shell-collecting, there is need for a new discussion. People are logging on to this discussion and think that we still have to find out how Jaber is.
I will make it short:

There is general systematic failure we have to fix.
We have to chat to tune, agree on action items, share efforts .. on regular basis for any common purpose we follow.

this way we avoid frustration, and use our energy more productive end efficient. We learn to cooperate and build a team.

Pls make sure to join me-peace-plan
Yes Jafra and Noa,.

I also feel very bad about all of this story too. Very bad indeed, from several points of view. This seems to have been a wild goose-chase. I did not iniate it. We all, I trust, also accepted the initial urgent report on face value.

Jafra also introduced and wanted to discuss the general case. We can do that, if you and others want that, in the discussion "Dr. Mahmoud Sa'ada says "IDF poisons South Hebron"" which is at

I do not see this as a planning issue as it seems me to have been a valid discussion of a valid topic. There should be no need to add to this topic unless there are real developments. I certainly will stay away from it unless my assessment changes.

Be well...
OK. will you change the title as I suggested as such attacks are not only in south Hebron?
Changed the Discussion Title from Dr. Mahmoud Sa'ada says "IDF poisons South Hebron" to Is Israel poisoning Palestinian lands and people?

Is that OK with you Jafra?

-- PmR
if it is OK for you :) ..

i will close this discussion now.

Paul, please see my response to Jafra below. Ezra isn't "mysterious", Ezra is a peace activist in Ta'ayush and does alot of work in south Hebron as I wrote in my update. The connection between Ezra and the photographer is a professional one- these are activists that update each other and get information from each other. The story posted here about Keren Manor being injured by a rubber bullet has nothing to do with Jaber's story. It was posted to put things in context, to give people a better idea of who the people visiting Jaber are. That's all.
I wrote on my message who visited him and his family. There are many peace activists doing things like this on their own initiative. This is a positive thing but also problematic because if the Israeli peace camp (legal, activist, etc) would be more united and share information better, I think more could be done. The fact that it took me almost 3 weeks to get a simple answer on how the boy is doing illustrates this well.
This is awful and it is good that you have posted this on here. Keep us informed if you can. Stories like this shouldn't be a platform for making grand statements about who ever but for doing something constructive. How can we find out more? Cannot a compliant be registered with the IDF?
I suggest that the NGO's give us an email address or two of military personnel or health personnel who are directly responsible for the effects of the military on the local populations. in addition, the email of the ministry involved. then we all send respectful and persistent emails to pay attention to this matter, to take care of the family, and to clean up the site immediately, and post warnings everywhere they have made a dangerous mess. then we also start with opeds. it might be a good test of mepeace people power. I will participate if it is a respectful campaign, which is the only kind that ever succeeds, in my opinion.
This is a very good idea. I shall look into it. Who else is up for this?
Really? Not even Israelis?



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