Israel and Hamas should not talk about "Victory" and celebrate it .. Hundred and sixty two Palestinians and Five Israelis were killed ,, houses were demolished by air raids and hundreds of families became homeless ,, Palestinian missiles reached Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and Israel killed Ahmad Al-Ja'bari .. The children of Gaza were crying ,, others were killed during the latest military actions while the world was celebrating the "International Children's Day" ,, Israeli children and their families were in the shelters out of fear to protect themselves from the missiles .. Hopefully to have long-term agreement of ceasefire between the two sides this time .. Give our children the chance to live in peace, enjoy and play rather than crying and living in danger and fear

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When I was in Sderot there was a playground, with a large caterpillar for children to walk into and play in.  The caterpillar was made of reinforced steel and concrete, and when the children were out on the playground, then had 15 seconds to reach that caterpillar, for it to be their bomb shelter.  With Hamas having more sophisticated rockets, can that caterpillar still serve as their bomb shelter?  Or did a more sophisticated bomb shelter have to be built for them?  In past sectarian violence, the death rate was 6 Palestinians for every 1 Israeli.  This time it was 20 Palestinians for every 1 Israeli.  Some victory.

The Arabs who lived in Sderot and Ashkelon were forced out of their homes by the IDF. They were then forcibly trucked to Gaza, where they remain to this day. Those people all had houses and work in the place you now call Sderot. They also had the legal entitlement, according to the Balfour Declaration & the UN, to stay. Their homes were given to Jews. The Jews of Israel owe every one of those Arab families a house and 65 years rent.

I have never seen historical records of people being forcibly trucked.  Even during the Holocaust, people were never forcibly trucked.  During both the Armenian Genocide and the Holocaust, people were informed to report at a certain location.  If people were forcibly trucked, are there any historical records to verify so?  Also, when Jews immigrated to Palestine, before and after the partition, they did not settle into private homes, but onto collective settlements, i.e., kibbutzim.  I plan to have a future discussion set up on the subjects of migration and resettlement, to key subjects pertaining to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.  Because I can see it can be very heavily fictionalized.

Dr. Don Peretz (of the State University of New York) wrote in 1954, [N]early half of the new Jewish immigrants live in homes abandoned by the Arabs. They occupy nearly 400 Arab towns and villages...The Arabs left over 10,000 shops and stores in Jewish hands. The Israel Custodian of Absentee Property took over more than 4,000,000 dunams of former Arab land, or nearly 60% of the country’s cultivable area. This was nearly two and a half times the total Jewish-owned property at the time the state of Israel was established, and include most of its olive orchards, a large part of its fruit and vegetable cropland and almost half the citrus groves.22

In Lydda and Ramle, where 60,000 inhabitants were forcibly expelled at gunpoint, the Israeli army loaded 1,800 trucks worth of looted property from Lydda alone.23 Hadawi estimates Palestinian losses in land and property to be valued at 562 billion US 1998 dollars.24 These are only the direct material losses and do not include loss of life, suffering, injuries, and loss of income.

Meron Benvenisti wrote in his book Sacred Landscape: the Buried History of the Holy Land Since 1948:

The signing of the armistice agreement did not put an end to the expulsions [by Israel]. In late February 1949, the remaining inhabitants of the township of Faluja and the village of Iraq al-Manshiyya ... were expelled. Approximately 3,000 people were ejected from their communities, despite Israel’s having guaranteed that they could remain there with full security to themselves, their homes, and all their property.25

Following the initial and the largest expulsion of the Palestinians between 1947-1949, the state of Israel started a program to further “cleanse” what remains of the Palestinian areas. Thus, an Israeli writer wrote about Nazareth area (the largest remaining Palestinian and mostly Christian Arab) town:

Upper Nazareth, which was created some fifteen years ago, ‘in order to create a counterweight to the Arab Nazareth,’ constitutes a cornerstone of the ‘Judaization of the Galilee’ policy. Upper Nazareth was erected upon the hills surrounding Nazareth as a security belt surrounding it almost on all sides. It was built upon thousands of acres of lands which were expropriated high-handedly, purely and simply by force, from the Arab settlements, particularly Nazareth and Rana.26

The land acquired by the Jewish National Fund (JNF) from the state of Israel in 1961 was 3,507,000 dunums while the state and development authority controlled 15,205,000 dunums of a total of 20,323,000 dunums in Israel.27 The Israel Land Authority was given control of all lands (whether JNF or State land) and thus controlled most of the land in Israel. This Palestinian land was procured through a variety of mechanisms and then leased only to Jews. This is the land that the Kibbutzim were later built on. Still later, with the bankruptcy of the Kibbutz movement, Ariel Sharon and other ardent Zionists pushed for selling this land to Jews and giving the kibbutz leaders the money.

22   Don Peretz, ‘The Arab Refugee Dilemma’, Foreign Affairs, Oct. 1954, pp. 137-138; also cited in Fawaz Turki, The Disinherited: Journal of a Palestinian Exile, 2nd ed (New York: Monthly Review Press, 1974), pp. 22-23.

23    Tom Segev, 1949: the First Israelis, translated by Arlen Neal Weinstein (New York: The Free Press, 1986).

24     Sami Hadawi, Palestinian Rights and Losses in 1948 (London: Saqi Books, 1988).

25    Meron Benvenisti, Sacred Landscape: the Buried History of the Holy Land Since 1948 (Berkeley: University of California Press, 2000), p. 156.

26    Yoseph Elgazi in Zo Hadareh, July 30, 1975.

27    Israel Land Authority Report, Jerusalem 1962, quoted by Lehn p. 114.


Excerpted from Sharing the Land of Canaan: Human Rights and the Israeli-Palestinia..., written by Mazin Qumsiyeh, PhD

I question where that figure of 1,800 trucks comes from, because according to "Mil'hemet Hashi'hrur," the Israel Defense Force only had access to 300 trucks, and 60 of those were used on the Jerusalem road to alleviate during the siege.  So 1,800 seems like a great over fabrication.  I read Sami Hadawi's book "Bitter Harvest," but I think he included too much bitterness in it.  Gabriel Lipshitz in his book "Country on the Move:  Migration to and within Israel:  1948-1995" states new immigrants were directed to rural locations, and that by 1954 they had 60,000 individuals.  Benny Morris writes in his "The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited," that out of the 50,000 to 70,000 who left Lydda and Ramle, that both David Ben-Gurion and the Israel Defense Force did not have an official policy to expel.  So allegations will be exchanged back and forth, but it is important to put this into current context.  When I read Khaled Meshaal's interview for CNN in "The Times of Israel," it seems like he wanted to recreate the past.  Unfortunately, none of us can do so.

1,800 trucks is a measure of the quantity of looted goods, not a literal count of the number of trucks used. 1,800 X trucks means that 1,800 times a truck moved Arab possessions into ARAB storage sheds that had been commandeered by the Jews who had ONLY recently arrived in the Holy Land. Zionist Jews were in the process of COLONIZING the country and expelling the indigenous inhabitants.


Of course Ben-Gurion and the IDF did not have an OFFICIAL policy to expel. They knew full well the consequences of making such a policy official and public. Their intention to expel was a SECRET policy. Here is what Ben-Gurion had to say in 1936: ‘in our political argument abroad, we minimize Arab opposition to us,’ which shows the extent to which Ben-Gurion was playing a deliberate and calculated game of deception and propaganda intended to manipulate and mislead the international community about the true intentions of the Zionists.


Morris stated: "Above all, let me reiterate, the refugee problem was caused by attacks by Jewish forces on Arab villages and towns and by the inhabitants' fear of such attacks, compounded by expulsions, atrocities, and rumors of atrocities -- and by the crucial Israeli Cabinet decision in June 1948 to bar a refugee return."  Benny Morris, "Revisiting the Palestinian Exodus of 1948", pp. 37-59 in "The War for Palestine: Rewriting the History of 1948", E. L. Rogan and A. Schlaim (eds.), Cambridge University Press. 2001.

As you can see from this Benny Morris quote, Israel is 100% responsible for the refugees, and Israel owes them a massive debt, which will have to be paid in full, if Israel desires to survive as a national entity. The other option is to allow a full return of all refugee families, which is probably going to be the outcome.

The refugees have never had representation, Thus, when the negotiations with the PA (and then Hamas) are finally finalized, the refugees will then commence their own set of peace negotiations. Those refugees will not be accepting anything the PA or Hamas negotiates, nor would the PA want them to.


If the Palestinians do not have a political entity to represent refugees -- for now we see their political entities as being Al Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Popular Resistance Committees, Salafists, and I do not know who these Independents are who won the West Bank municipal elections.  Then an entity would have to be created.  The same way the Israelis create a political party with U.S. $1,000 bond and 5,000 signatures.  The last time I was there, they had 102 political parties there.  For with any type of political party, there has to be a constituency.  Take into consideration that half of Gaza's population is under 18.  Educate them about the past.  We can educate the Irish about the famine in the 1840's.  But that did not play a role in power sharing that was finally resolved in Northern Ireland.  When we see historical analysis by people like Benny Morris, it is how do we present this in modern terms.  It is like reparations for the Holocaust never came out of Poland.  How many Polish survivors of the Holocaust left are still alive?  If a political party was formed in Poland for this, there would be virtually no constituency to support it.  It seems as though if the Palestinians formed a political entity on refugee issues, the constituency supporting it would be extremely slight.  But a political entity calling for dignity and respect would be much greater.  One of the things that came out of the recent violence between Israel and Gaza, is that Palestinian farmers are allowed to get closer to the border with Israel, and Palestinian fishermen are allowed to go further out to sea.  Activities that make money.  If focusing on the economic issues of Palestinians is beating a dead horse, I am afraid it is the only horse left in the stable.

After an aggression cycle we need to try the gate to development seek Palestinian unity that can accept Israel existance and halt the settlement effort so we can have border agreement that wlll be final and enable us build a Palestinian state

It is interesting that you mention that, because it was the exact same thing I put in Allvoice.  Palestinian political unity that will have leverage on the issue of Israeli settlements.

Neri Bar-On

It is either your English or that anti Israeli agenda that would make you say something that in normal discourse would be simply moronic. How can one have an "aggression cycle" Rockets are the aggression, full and complete stop. What follows is not a cycle but rather defensive measures. But you could never understand that.

I say, Build Baby Build, as it may take the Palestinians another 64 years to realize there may not be enough land to build a state when they discover that this has been the exercise since 1947 (Partition) and they finally agree to stop the terror and their silly demands.

Siddeley Redanwan, you owe Neri and mepeace an apology for your rudeness. Neri's English is proof he is Israeli. You, on the other hand, talk like an ignorant invader settler who desires only war and oppression. 

The Zionist project was always a giant gamble, and it is in the process of failing, because no matter how many settlements Israel builds, all the land that is owned by Palestinians will be returning to Palestinian control. And, I am not just talking about the West Bank, 3/4's of Israeli land, has never been purchased. it was commandeered in the immediate aftermath of the 1948 ethnic cleansing of Palestine. Building a house on a piece of land does not mean you start to own that land. If you do not own the land, you lose the house. That is an international principle that is not lost on anyone, yourself included. Israel and the Jews were never an exception to these principles, they just imagined they were.

Bibi withdrew because of international pressure, not because he wanted to. This is the way it will be every time until there is a peace settlement that takes into account the entitlements of all Arab families that were living in the area in 1948.

The only future for Israel will be one where the land is shared equally will all Arabs that have a connection to the Holy Land.  

Sussan. So I am " an ignorant invader settler" and that is the 'ad hominems" and respect that Neri must be talking about. But than this site seems to approve of the lies of " war and oppression" that you so fondly talk about. "all the land that is owned by Palestinians will be returning to Palestinian control. And, I am not just talking about the West Bank, 3/4's of Israeli land, has never been purchased. it was commandeered in the immediate aftermath of the 1948 ethnic cleansing of Palestine.". I am glad to hear such peace messages from a devout peacemaker as yourself

"This is the way it will be every time until there is a peace settlement that takes into account the entitlements of all Arab families that were living in the area in 1948". I must wonder aloud whether Mr. Raviv sees it the same way or even Waleed.

I guess angry reasonable people must be eliminated from these pages but angry anti Jew and anti Israeli LIBERALS(??), well that another story and we must understand their anger as well as of those who have enough anger to kill JEWS.



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