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Israel's actions in Gaza is an act of self-defense == Morally and legally

Israel's actions in Gaza is an act of self-defense both morally and legally.

The clip below is from from aljazeera, and also:appears elsewhere on this site.

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Opher,

For the past 10 days I have been crying not only from the inside but also with tears for all of the victims of this war.

Every time I see these pictures I just cry. I am unable to eat or drink. I can not listen to music and I can not smile. This war should be stopped now.

I am not in a position to tell the Hamas on how to set their agenda and I am not in a position to tell the Israeli government on how to set theirs.

I am a human in the first place. First I was born human and all of the other identities came a long. As a human I am against all killings and as a human I want this to stop.

These children should be playing but I guess they will never play again. Over 100 children were killed so far and all of the others will just grow to revenge their death.


One another thing, do not ever tell me what to do and not to do.


Sleep well and do not say I did not know.
Ophher
Why may we not see the pictures?
Why do you say he is not a man of peace?
Have your way of making peace succeded?
Maybe an other way works. Give other way's a chance.
Too much is covered. Did you know, for instace, the fall of the Twin Towers was controlled demollition? There is much more behind this conflict in the middle East than we are told.
Gaza is a de facto Jail for people who are 1,500,000 sons of people that their Arab parents and grand parents born and live in the territory of Palestine.

No paper to travel recognize by other countries no resources of water, food, electricity no social security no pension plans.

and now they are bombed because in their jailed condition they were governed by a violent group.

now we add your insults to them and repeated blame because you are attached to your Jewish identity and have one sided view on reality.
Hi Neri,

Clearly, I do not share the certainties of (what I see as your) your essentially black or white universe. My universe mainly just has shades of gray. I concluded that when I was about 19 years old. That still is the best working hypothesis I am aware of. Some day some things will change. Some people do learn eventually...

Oh well...
==PmR
Let's just take this one small step a time.

Yes Neri. Everybody knows that Gaza is not just a de facto State but also a de facto Jail. And nobody thinks that is a good thing.

Now why is Gaza a de facto Jail, Neri?
Neri TELLS ME ABOVE THAT I "now we add your insults to them and repeated blame because you are attached to your Jewish identity and have one sided view on reality."

You seem to KNOW a lot more about me Neri than I know about myself. Can you really see into my soul Neri? Such projection and demonization is seems very bizarre to me.

Are you trying to tell us all Neri that in your view: because of my attachment to my Jewish identity I have a one sided view on reality and that I do not see or hear or understand the suffering of non Jews?

I really hope that I misunderstood what you wrote. Have I?

If I have not misunderstood then what Neri wrote is JUST ANOTHER SAD BLAME GAME AND DEMONIZATION EXAMPLE./b>

I really hope that I misunderstood what you wrote, Neri. Please clarify!

Moral Clarity in Gaza
By Charles Krauthammer
Friday, January 2, 2009; A15

Late Saturday, thousands of Gazans received Arabic-language cell-phone messages from the Israeli military, urging them to leave homes where militants might have stashed weapons.

-- Associated Press, Dec. 27

Some geopolitical conflicts are morally complicated. The Israel-Gaza war is not. It possesses a moral clarity not only rare but excruciating.

Israel is so scrupulous about civilian life that, risking the element of surprise, it contacts enemy noncombatants in advance to warn them of approaching danger. Hamas, which started this conflict with unrelenting rocket and mortar attacks on unarmed Israelis -- 6,464 launched from Gaza in the past three years -- deliberately places its weapons in and near the homes of its own people.

This has two purposes. First, counting on the moral scrupulousness of Israel, Hamas figures civilian proximity might help protect at least part of its arsenal. Second, knowing that Israelis have new precision weapons that may allow them to attack nonetheless, Hamas hopes that inevitable collateral damage -- or, if it is really fortunate, an errant Israeli bomb -- will kill large numbers of its own people for which, of course, the world will blame Israel.

For Hamas, the only thing more prized than dead Jews are dead Palestinians. The religion of Jew-murder and self-martyrdom is ubiquitous. And deeply perverse, such as the Hamas TV children's program in which an adorable live-action Palestinian Mickey Mouse is beaten to death by an Israeli (then replaced by his more militant cousin, Nahoul the Bee, who vows to continue on Mickey's path to martyrdom).

At war today in Gaza, one combatant is committed to causing the most civilian pain and suffering on both sides. The other combatant is committed to saving as many lives as possible -- also on both sides. It's a recurring theme. Israel gave similar warnings to Southern Lebanese villagers before attacking Hezbollah in the Lebanon war of 2006. The Israelis did this knowing it would lose for them the element of surprise and cost the lives of their own soldiers.

That is the asymmetry of means between Hamas and Israel. But there is equal clarity regarding the asymmetry of ends. Israel has but a single objective in Gaza -- peace: the calm, open, normal relations it offered Gaza when it withdrew in 2005. Doing something never done by the Turkish, British, Egyptian and Jordanian rulers of Palestine, the Israelis gave the Palestinians their first sovereign territory ever in Gaza.

What ensued? This is not ancient history. Did the Palestinians begin building the state that is supposedly their great national aim? No. No roads, no industry, no courts, no civil society at all. The flourishing greenhouses that Israel left behind for the Palestinians were destroyed and abandoned. Instead, Gaza's Iranian-sponsored rulers have devoted all their resources to turning it into a terror base -- importing weapons, training terrorists, building tunnels with which to kidnap Israelis on the other side. And of course firing rockets unceasingly.

The grievance? It cannot be occupation, military control or settlers. They were all removed in September 2005. There's only one grievance and Hamas is open about it. Israel's very existence.

Nor does Hamas conceal its strategy. Provoke conflict. Wait for the inevitable civilian casualties. Bring down the world's opprobrium on Israel. Force it into an untenable cease-fire -- exactly as happened in Lebanon. Then, as in Lebanon, rearm, rebuild and mobilize for the next round. Perpetual war. Since its raison d'etre is the eradication of Israel, there are only two possible outcomes: the defeat of Hamas or the extinction of Israel.

Israel's only response is to try to do what it failed to do after the Gaza withdrawal. The unpardonable strategic error of its architect, Ariel Sharon, was not the withdrawal itself but the failure to immediately establish a deterrence regime under which no violence would be tolerated after the removal of any and all Israeli presence -- the ostensible justification for previous Palestinian attacks. Instead, Israel allowed unceasing rocket fire, implicitly acquiescing to a state of active war and indiscriminate terror.

Hamas's rejection of an extension of its often-violated six-month cease-fire (during which the rockets never stopped, just were less frequent) gave Israel a rare opportunity to establish the norm it should have insisted upon three years ago: no rockets, no mortar fire, no kidnapping, no acts of war. As the U.S. government has officially stated: a sustainable and enduring cease-fire. If this fighting ends with anything less than that, Israel will have lost yet another war. The question is whether Israel still retains the nerve -- and the moral self-assurance -- to win.

letters@charleskrauthammer.com

Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/01/AR2...

Just wondering run where? do they have shelters? can they go out of Gaza? were they warned before the war so they can prepare some protection places?!!!!
Hiba wrote: "Just wondering run where?"

That is the real moral dilemma in a nutshell, Hiba. Hamas's leaders knew and know that. And so any war Hamas provoked was known BY ALL (including Israelis) to have dire consequences for Gaza's civilians. Very sad indeed...
It makes me so sad Paul that you twist everything to show that Hamas got all the blame and Israel has all the right. a true peacemaker will be responsible and just brave enough to realize that what is happening in Gaza is too far beyond a crazy government right of protection. I and many others did our part here but trying but for some people it seems that they are not brave enough to stand up and say things right.

Be well,

Hiba
This is the Mary Rizzo mind set, a person so filled with self-justness he abuse our hospitality and do not listen and do not care to others.
Aurora.

all your words cannot justify that Israel will harm Palestinians.

Israel actions and wish is to leave in peace by the path is sometime threw use of its advantage force and not its humanistic responsibility.

Hamas is Palestinian political movement the decision to actt now is due Israel political requirement (Labor & Kadima were loosing the election two weeks ago) and you justify killing as if Hamas did it so the Israel can join the party.

people are not to be in line of fire and there were other options that were not selected by Israel for its internal political interests

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