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Lieberman's party proposes ban on Arab Nakba

By Reuters

Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman's party wants to ban Israeli Arabs from marking the anniversary of what they term "the Catastrophe" or Nakba, when in 1948 some 700,000 Arabs lost their homes in the war that led to the establishment of the state of Israel.

The ultranationalist Yisrael Beitenu party said it would propose legislation next week for a ban on the practice and a jail term of up to three years for violators.

"The draft law is intended to strengthen unity in the state of Israel and to ban marking Independence Day as a day of mourning," said party spokesman Tal Nahum.
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The initiative could fuel racial tensions stoked by Lieberman's February election campaign call to make voting or the holding of public office in Israel contingent on pledging loyalty to the Jewish state.

Arabs, who make up 20 percent of Israel's population, said the allegiance demand was aimed at them and accused Lieberman of racism.

Israel celebrated its Independence Day this year on April 29, in accordance with the Hebrew lunar calendar. Palestinian refugees around the world and Israel's Arab citizens mark the Nakba on May 15, the day after the British mandate over Palestine ended in 1948.

Ceremonies in the West Bank were held a day early this year because May 15 falls on Friday, the Muslim day of rest.

In Ramallah, hundreds of Palestinians, some holding large wooden keys to symbolize the keys of homes from which they fled in 1948, took part in a rally.

"I came here to show that we believe that one day we will return. If not me, then my son," said Mohammad Hassan, 79.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, on a visit to Syria, was to make a televised address later in the day to mark the Nakba.

The right-leaning government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, in which Lieberman's party is a key ally, has not endorsed the Western and Arab-backed goal of Palestinian statehood.

It also firmly opposes the division of Jerusalem and the right of return of Palestinian refugees, and Netanyahu recently introduced a demand that Palestinians, as part of any future peace agreement, recognize Israel as a "Jewish state".

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It is funny-sad

It will not pass,

what do you think Mazin, will it pass as a law?
Mazin:

It will pass as law and it is about time. Are the Arabs in Israel citizens of Israel or are they not? They are living in a democracy as equal citizens with full human rights and yet they want to celebrate or keep alive the myth of a catastrophe.

What was the catastrophe as far as they are concerned other than they the Jews were not annihilated and that they do not live under a Muslim government?
Igor,

Liberman will explain as a foreign minister the reason why we have to evacuate the settlements.

Did you ever thought what was the Nakba? or you ignore this as it is history of a different people who you do not care for them?

please visit http://www.nakbainhebrew.org/

The arab population also has a stress as Arabs they have deep relation to the arab world but as citizens the law say they must sing :

As long as in the heart, within,
A Jewish soul still yearns,
And onward, towards the ends of the east,
An eye still gazes toward Zion;

Do you think that people who refuse need to go to prison?
Neri:

How have the Israeli Arabs suffered because of the " Naqba"? That is the basis of my denial of thsi happening as far as Israeli Arabs are concerned. Persuade me that I am wrong.!!!!

I have a problem pledging allegiance to a Queen but I must do that to become a citizen or a member of Parliament. So I have two choices I can stay and play by the rules or I can pack up and leave.

Israel was set up as a Jewish State. How does the "Jewish Soul" interfere with the day to day activities of the Israeli Arabs? Or are they concerned with "Zion" Are you familiar with the German anthem? Or the blood and guts-we will redeem Palestine with out blood......

Get over it Neri. Israel is and will always be a Jewish Democratic State. Yes the Arabs are welcome to stay.
Neri:
I don't really know if it will pass or not. I stopped trying to predict how far down the line of fascism the \Israeli governemnt will go before Israeli citizens finally wake-up. I also don't even know if when they do wake-up in large enough numbers to effect real change, taht it might then be a bit too late (sort of like Germany between 1936-1938). I ofcourse pray for the sake of all of us (Israelis and Palestinians) that fascists liek Lieberman will be put in tehir place before it is too late. You can see the influence on gullible uneducated people (like Igor already who supports torture, ethnic cleansing, and racism). Vladimir Jabotinsky who imitated Italian fascists in the 1920s and 1930s down to imitating the brown uniforms and the salutes would be smiling in his grave at his ideological grand-children resurrecting his ideas.
Mazin, i added a link to an article of Uri Avnery "Iran is not Nazi Germany."
http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/20090511103454525
Please, look at this.
It's very different of your text which teems with comparisons
hobbling on both legs.
Uri Avnery does comparisons himself. It is in fact in this paper taht he does comparisons and finds little similarity between Iran of today and Germany of the Nazi era. On the three points that he finds most important to discuss, Israel would actually comes to mind:

But Iran is not a fascist state. According to the evidence, there is quite a lot of freedom there, including freedom of expression. Ahmadinejad is not the only candidate for president in the present election campaign. There are a number of others, some more radical, some less.

Israel is an apartheid state where 3.5 million peopel in the West Bank and Gaza have no right to vote and separate laws are applied to them as opposed to the 0.5 million Jews who were illegally moved into these occupied areas

Nor is Iran an anti-Semitic state. A Jewish community, whose members are refusing to emigrate, is living there comfortably enough. It enjoys religious freedom and has a representative in parliament. Even if we take such reports with a grain of salt, it is clear that the Jews in Iran are not being persecuted like the Jews in Nazi Germany.

Israel is very racist towards nonJews. There are even specific laws that favor Jews (e.g. the law of return) and othesr that deny nonJews basic rights (e.g. land laws).

And, most important: Iran is not an aggressive country. It has not attacked its neighbors for centuries. The long and bloody Iraq-Iran war was started by Saddam Hussein. It may be remembered that at the time Israel (contrary to the US) supported the Iranian side and supplied it with arms. (One such transaction was accidentally disclosed in the Irangate affair.) Before the Khomeini revolution, Iran was our most important ally in the region.

This is the strongest point: Israel invaded neighboring countries 5 times and occupies land that belongs to three nations now.

Now don't misunderstand me again, I do not think I compare Israel with Nazi Germany of 1939-1945 (the holocaust years). I think there are elements similar to the early period of 1933-1937 (racial laws etc) and even here I do not equate the two system nor consider Israel by any stretch to have moved that far (at least not yet).
Mazin,

Israel have deep memory of the Holocaust as no German had in 1933-1937
Israel has better economy then German had in 1933-1937
Israel do not have WW-I agreements it needs to break as did Germany 1933-1937
Israel has 20% palestinians and there is a territory that can become a Palestinian state unlike the relationship with the Jews 1933-1937

all this comparison is daemons in your mind, open up and see us of who we are.
and check out Developing a Sustainable Democracy in South Africa
Neri: You wrote
Israel have deep memory of the Holocaust as no German had in 1933-1937
Israel has better economy then German had in 1933-1937
Israel do not have WW-I agreements it needs to break as did Germany 1933-1937
Israel has 20% palestinians and there is a territory that can become a Palestinian state unlike the relationship with the Jews 1933-1937

I do not know what the first three signify and I do not see those as relevant even if I agree (actually the German Economy was booming in those years and on a relative basis was far better than Israeli economy today)
As for the the fourth point: I agree and it is a major difference between Germany in 1933-1936 and Israel in 2009-2012.
Ok Mazin, I'll tell you this way: you are reading wrong the Israeli mind and situation.
these compares are only excuse to keep you pre-evaluating idealism and catastrophic expectation.

This mentality remind me the mentality of Israel when I was young thinking that the whole world wish us dead, it took us 40 years to get out of this and if to compare so the Palestinian victim hood is at the level of the Zionists 60 years ago, they may lead the palestinian to the same behavior as the Zionists, you said this is how it work for the Jews, so It must be true for the palestinians too, or do you think that the Palestinians are better then the Jews?
Mazin

Israel is an apartheid state where 3.5 million peopel in the West Bank and Gaza have no right to vote and separate laws are applied to them as opposed to the 0.5 million Jews who were illegally moved into these occupied areas
This is pure unadulterated nonsensical propaganda and just propaganda in the Mazin tradition. They do vote based on the PA elections whenever and wherever they are held. Who do you think elected Hamas?
Laws applied in Judea and Samaria are the Jordanian laws as administered(LOL) by the PA

Israel is very racist towards nonJews. There are even specific laws that favor Jews (e.g. the law of return) and othesr that deny nonJews basic rights (e.g. land laws).

Another heap of dung in the Mazin tradition. The law of return operates in quite a few countries and even Palestine is demanding this even when they are not yet a state. Can you tell us what basic rights are denied to non-Jews?

This is the strongest point: Israel invaded neighboring countries 5 times and occupies land that belongs to three nations now.

More dung. History, I am afraid, does not support you here on all counts. I have spoken about this subject a few times, What part do you not understand and perhaps I can explain further using more impartial sources.Hack I will even give you Arab sources if it helps in educating you on reality.
Igal,

Mazin showed consistency that he think that we are all one human tissue. so he conclude that Israel and Zionist took the control over whole human tissue.
from that he conclude that Israel is apartheid since there are people who do not get citizenship.

Now, if you do not agree with him, you need to explain who is responsible for the Palestinians well being as it clear that Israel control and restrict their livelihood.
If you claim them to be "separate" you still need to guarantee that they will have equal conditions as Israelis, and explain why Israel use its advantage to capture land and encourage settlements on land that it claim not to own and that is not accepted to be Israel border in the international law.


Your text is nonsensical propaganda to mazin as Mazin is to you unless you open your heart and listen to what Palestinian have to say. Not all Palestinians agree with Mazin, as not all Israelis agree with you.

This is the strongest point: Israel invaded neighboring countries 5 times and occupies land that belongs to three nations now.

The Nations are Lebanon, Syria and Palestine.


Igor, you do not respect other members.

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