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Loving Israel to death - Palestinian deniers and the end of the two state solution

Well done Tom Friedman on this piece.

It never ceases to amaze me the sycophancy of certain Republican US presidential hopefuls.  Pity the thought for what Gingrich and his cronies think of Native Americans. Would he suggest that Native Americans migrated to the region from surrounding 'lands' for economic work?

Friedman says our pro-Israel 'friends' in the US are either laying the path for an apartheid state, ethnic cleansing or a binational state.  Friedman as  traditional two state solutionist  (in the vein of the Oslo Accords) as such rejects the inflammatory and ahistorical statements made by Gingrich and right wing revisionists like Joan Peters.

As a background to the history of Palestinian people see:

http://israelandpalestinediary.blogspot.com/2010/12/finding-common-...

http://palestineisraelpopulation.blogspot.com/

Justin McCarthy, Palestine's Population During The Ottoman And The British Mandate Periods, 2001

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story5...

http://mepeace.org/forum/topics/quastion-from-palestinian?commentId...

http://www.palestineremembered.com/GeoPoints/Palestinian_History_Fo...

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Articles/A-Survey-of-Palestine/S...


Newt, Mitt, Bibi and Vladimir

Thomas L Friedman

Published: December 13, 2011
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/opinion/friedman-newt-mitt-bibi-a...

I have a simple motto when it comes to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. I love both Israelis and Palestinians, but God save me from some of their American friends — those who want to love them to death, literally.

That thought came to mind last week when Newt Gingrich took the Republican competition to grovel for Jewish votes — by outloving Israel — to a new low by suggesting that the Palestinians are an “invented” people and not a real nation entitled to a state.

This was supposed to show that Newt loves Israel more than Mitt Romney, who only told the Israeli newspaper Israel Hayom that he would move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem because “I don’t seek to take actions independent of what our allies think is best, and if Israel’s leaders thought that a move of that nature would be helpful to their efforts, then that’s something I’ll be inclined to do. ... I don’t think America should play the role of the leader of the peace process. Instead, we should stand by our ally.”


That’s right. America’s role is to just applaud whatever Israel does, serve as its A.T.M. and shut up. We have no interests of our own. And this guy’s running for president?
As for Newt, well, let’s see: If the 2.5 million West Bank Palestinians are not a real people entitled to their own state, that must mean Israel is entitled to permanently occupy the West Bank and that must mean — as far as Newt is concerned — that Israel’s choices are: 1) to permanently deprive the West Bank Palestinians of Israeli citizenship and put Israel on the road to apartheid; 2) to evict the West Bank Palestinians through ethnic cleansing and put Israel on the road to the International Criminal Court in the Hague; or 3) to treat the Palestinians in the West Bank as citizens, just like Israeli Arabs, and lay the foundation for Israel to become a binational state. And this is called being “pro-Israel”?


I’d never claim to speak for American Jews, but I’m certain there are many out there like me, who strongly believe in the right of the Jewish people to a state, who understand that Israel lives in a dangerous neighborhood yet remains a democracy, but who are deeply worried about where Israel is going today. My guess is we’re the minority when it comes to secular American Jews. We still care. Many other Jews are just drifting away.


I sure hope that Israel’s prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, understands that the standing ovation he got in Congress this year was not for his politics. That ovation was bought and paid for by the Israel lobby. The real test is what would happen if Bibi tried to speak at, let’s say, the University of Wisconsin. My guess is that many students would boycott him and many Jewish students would stay away, not because they are hostile but because they are confused.


It confuses them to read that Israel’s foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, who met with Prime Minister Vladimir Putin of Russia last Wednesday, was quoted as saying that the recent Russian elections were “absolutely fair, fre... Yes, those elections — the ones that brought thousands of Russian democrats into the streets to protest the fraud. Israel’s foreign minister sided with Putin.


It confuses them to read that right-wing Jewish settlers attacked an Israeli army base on Tuesday in the West Bank, stoning Israeli soldiers in retaliation for the army removing “illegal” settlements that Jewish extremists establish wherever they want.


It confuses them to read, as the New Israel Fund reports on its Web site, that “more than 10 years ago, the ultra-Orthodox community asked Israel’s public bus company, Egged, to provide segregated buses in their neighborhoods. By early 2009, more than 55 such lines were operating around Israel. Typically, women are required to enter through the bus back doors and sit in the back of the bus, as well as ‘dress modestly.’ ”


It confuses them to read a Financial Times article from Israel on Monday, that said: “In recent weeks, the country has been consumed by an anguished debate over a series of new laws and proposals that many fear are designed to stifle dissent, weaken minority rights, restrict freedom of speech and emasculate the judiciary. They include a law that in effect allows Israeli communities to exclude Arab families; another that imposes penalties on Israelis advocating a boycott of products made in West Bank Jewish settlements; and proposals that would subject the supreme court to greater political oversight.”


And it confuses them to read Gideon Levy, a powerful liberal voice, writing in Haaretz, the Israeli daily, this week that “anyone who says this is a matter of a few inconsequential laws is leading others astray. ... What we are witnessing is w-a-r. This fall a culture war, no less, broke out in Israel, and it is being waged on many more, and deeper, fronts than are apparent. It is not only the government, as important as that is, that hangs in the balance, but also the very character of the state.”
So while Newt is cynically asking who are the Palestinians, he doesn’t even know that more than a few Israelis are asking, “Who are we?”

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/lieberman-russia-elec...

The elections, which were recently described by U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton as neither free nor fair, resulted with Putin's United Russia party winning less than 50 percent of Sunday's vote – a steep fall from its earlier two-thirds majority.

New Israel Fund

http://www.nif.org/index.php

Gender segregation in Jerusalem, CNN, 12 December 2011

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2011/12/12/pkg-flower-is...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_settler_violence

Israeli settlers clash with troops in West Bank
Jewish settlers vandalise Israeli army base in protest over planned evacuations of unauthorised settlement outposts
13 December 2011

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/13/israeli-settlers-clash-...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-16158623

Maps of late 1800s Palestine

 

Maps from Baedecker's book

Jaffa

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/jaffa_1912.jpg

Baedeker's Maps of Palestine 1912

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/history_middle_east.html

 

Southern Palestine: Hebron, Gaza, Akaba 1:500,000

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/books/travel/593773/593773-c-136b-400.html

 

Sinai Peninsula Map 1:1,500,000

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/books/travel/593773/593773-c-212b-400.html

 

Map Syria and Palestine 1:3,000,000

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/books/travel/593773/593773-d-002-800.html

 

Population statistics

 

http://www.cjpme.ca/documents/En%20Demographics%20Factsheet%20v.1.pdf

 

http://israelipalestinian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=0...

Links to further information on the population of Israel and Palestine

 

The Question of Palestine and the United Nations, United Nations, New York, 2008.

http://unispal.un.org/pdfs/DPI2499.pdf

 

The Palestine Question: A Brief History Prepared for, and under the guidance of the Committee on the Exercise of the Inalienable Rights of the Palestinian People, 1 July 1980

http://unispal.un.org/UNISPAL.NSF/0/38D6C47FC5FB0CDD852575D6006C70D4

 

The Origins and Evolution of the Palestine Problem: 1917-1988 Part I, 1917-1947

http://unispal.un.org/unispal.nsf/0/AEAC80E740C782E4852561150071FDB0

 

Population of Greater Palestine and Greater Israel (1851-1995)

http://palestineisraelpopulation.blogspot.com/

 

Encyclopaedia Britannica 11th Edition (1910-11). Cambridge University Press, p 604

http://www.archive.org/stream/encyclopdiabri20chis#page/604/mode/2u... [original]

http://www.1911encyclopedia.org/Palestine [html]

[Population 650,000, two thirds Moslems, rest Christians and Jews.]

Maps

1946 map of Palestine [includes hand drawn 1949 demarcation lines]

1:250,000

Compiled, drawn and printed Survey of Palestine August 1944

MDR 1509/12460

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story582.html

 

American Peace Now Settlement Interactive Map

http://peacenow.org/map.php

A map of depopulated villages

Palestine Land Society

http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story1261.html

 

UK Cabinet Papers 1918

CAB 24/72 GT/6506 (cabinet papers)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mideaststrategy/5080134925/in/photostream

Map of Palestine 1889

http://www.archive.org/stream/palestine00cond#page/n303/mode/

Map of Palestine 1888

http://www.archive.org/stream/palestineillustr00temp#page/n39/mode/1up   p12


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Dear Rabbi Lerner:  Your "high" moral stance falls flat on its face when you read the Hamas Charter and recognize that the intent of Hamas is to utterly destroy the Israeli military, culture, political system and economic system.  Have you read the Charter?  Why does it not influence your (enlightened) thinking?


outdated http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/jan/11/israel Hamas has made that part of it's charter null and void and will recognize Israel as soon as there is a state for the Palestinians!

Incidentally, as far as Fatah goes, Abbas Zaki, Fatah Central Committee Member, openly said (23 Sept.) that voiding the settlements is just a prelude to seeing to wipe out Israel but it's not "safe" to say so as the greater goal cannot be accomplished in one go.


Arab source please... Otherwise it is just garbage from MEMRI which has been exposed  http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=MEMRI as MOSSAD!

I suppose, Rabbi, being so safe (until recently, at any rate) in the USA, you can preach from your high moral perch to those (Israelis) whose very existence is placed at extreme risk.  I wonder what kind of advocate you would have been to those European Jews in the era in which Hitler came and remained in power.  My guess is that you would have had them "recognize" and "accept" the Nazi regime and, having done so, all would have been right with the world.   

Fact if  he did it would have been the right thing to do because the Holocaust happened only because of the war... Check Buchanan's new work on the subject! 


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