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This discussion was started by Hillel Yaari more or less. I have tried to clean the thread to reflect how the topic has changed. Hillel brought up the Haggadah and how many Jews also use the word Allah and it's origins.

Perhaps, there is a connection between the mysticism of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Feel free to discuss this with an open mind.

Do your research if you want.



Hillels posts and Hayyim's posts were deleted in error. Mepeace's software doesn't operate the way I am used to and when I removed some of my posts and Pat's posts and sought to focus on the discusion on what Hillel and Hayim were discussing it removed their posts, and I cannot locate them. I am disappointed that the software operated that way. My apologies. I didn't know.
Using PHBB software it's easy to split and edit threads. It's true mepeace looks beautiful, but it's not so smooth for moderators in some ways.
I didn't intentionally delete those posts. I liked the discussion.

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A fairly close reconstruction, I think, of my first missing post (responding to Hillel's, also missing):

Awesome! Thanks so much, Hillel, for your post about Wachad Mon Idrin.

Is the Chassidic haggadah commentary you refer to also by Rabbi Pinchas HaLevy Hurvitz (Horowitz)? Do you have access to it? I'd love to see the passage, if you can direct me to it.

Even more important, do you know the nign (melody) that was used for it either in Jerusalem or in Frankfort, R. Hurvitz's home? Do you know if they were the same? And most especially, do you have, or know of, a recording of the song? Thanks again!

Blessings,
-Hayyim
There is a Midrash, or received exegetical tradition, that when the Creator revealed the Ten Utterances on Mount SInai, the only word the people of Israel heard was the word Anochi, or I AM. Another tradition trom the same source states that the only audible sound was simply the letter ALEF. Alef has the numerical value of one. It is also significant that Alef is itself silent, only taking on sounds according to the letter that precedes or follows it.

Thus, we arrive at an idea that G-d is unutterable silence.

Modern physics, or at least from the tiny amount I know of it, postulates that all things are in fact one and that the differences between perceived phenomena are illustory in the truest sense of the word, though they do have relative significance in terms of our immediate surroundings. Further insights on this theme are found in the expressions eyn od milvado/ there is nothing besides Him or eyn atar panuy minei/ there is no place empty of Him.

Are there any corelatives of this idea in Islamic or Christian thought? I sense their must be.
Hayyim, this edition of the Haggadah is entitled Ezrat Avoteinu and is from the Bostoner Rebbe. The book was published by the New England Chassidic Center, 1710 Beacon Street, Brookline, Mass. 02146; the distributor's telephone number is 732-901-3009. It might still be available, so give them a try.

It is simply the Arabic translation of Echod Mi Yodea/Who Knows One? The commentary states: Zemer atik yomin shehayu ragilim leshorer biY'rushalayim ir hakodesh be chevra sfardit vehushar gam etsel maran ha gaon hakadosh Rebbi Pinchas Dovid Halevi Hurvits z'tsl, meyased sholshelet Boston/ This is an ancient song which was commonly recited in the holy city Jerusalem among the Sfardim and it was also song by our teacher, the holy sage Rabbi Pinchas Dovid Halevi Hurvits of blessed memory, the founder of the Bostoner chain.
Expanded reconstruction of second missing post (with apologies for the inevitable inaccuracies of transliteration and translation):

No doubt many of you are familiar with the brief Muslim affirmation of creed called Kalima or Shahada (Witnessing/Testimony):

"La ilaha illa Allah" - There is no god but G!d (Allah).

Please keep it in mind for a moment while you read ahead . . .

On every Shabbat and Chag (sacred Jewish festival) during the morning worship service, Jews recite a certain prayer in Aramaic, called "Brich Shmeyh" (Blessed be His Name) just before taking the scroll of the Holy Torah out for public reading. Part of that prayer says, "La al bar elahin samichna, ela be'Elaha di-sh'maya." In English: "Not on any divine being do I rely, except on the G!d of heaven."

Now, watch closely while I type it again, this time skipping over a few (non-essential) words:

"La...elahin...ela...Elaha" - no god but G!d.

Sound familiar?

Basil mentions the practice of chanting to attain mystical union with G!d. The Sufis chant the Shahada over and over, in a practice they call Zikr (Remembrance - zachor in Hebrew). They understand it to mean: There is nothing besides G!d, no reality but G!d. (Can any Muslims here tell me whether "orthodox" Islam, either Sunni or Shi'a, understand it that way, too?)

The Hebrew prayer "Aleynu" (one of the oldest we have) says "He is G!d, there is nothing else," and "nothing other than Him," and "HaShem is G!d, in heaven above and on earth below there is nothing else."

La ilaha illa Allah
La elahin ela Elaha
No god but G!d
Nothing else but G!d

That's how close we are.

Blessings,
-Hayyim
SOURCE: http://kheper.net/topics/greatchainofbeing/Primordial_Tradition.html


Diagram by Brad Reynolds, from Ken Wilber, Amazon com A Brief History of Everything, (Shambhala: Boston), 1996.
Here, the top half of the diagram refers to levels of reality ("the macrocosm") and the bottom half to levels of self ("the microcosm"). Note: There are a few errors here - the bottom half under Judaism has sefirot when it should hav ethe equivalent levels of soul - nefesh, ruah, neshamah - while at the top the world of Emanation (Atzilut) corresponds to "God" not the Absolute or Godhead, but these are minor points, and on the whole this is a very good diagram.
Thanks, Neri. This is a fantastic visual.
Very interesting diagram. Thanks Neri.

For those who believe in a supreme beng it may prove his/her existance.

For those who are essentially secular or humanists, it may prove the evolution of ideas and values, and their general migration and transferance from one culture to another. And of course some common ideas and cancepts may well have been developed without knowledge about their (prior) existance elsewhere (reinventing the wheel).

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