In order to grasp the complexity of the conflict, I think it's appropriate to also look at issues that somehow lie behind 'raw politics', such as religious issues (see Melissa's recent discussion) and economic ones.

The availability and distribution of water in dry Israel-Palestine is one such issue. It's hard to achieve peace when large-scale economic injustices prevail. The World Bank says that Israel gets four times more water than Palestinians, "although both share the mountain aquifer that runs the length of the occupied West Bank" (Guardian article, 27 May 2009).

The article and the WB report are here:

Overall, of course, water is a scarce resource for both Israelis and Palestinians, although it's apparently scarcer for the latter. Solutions need to be found to ensure sustainable water availability in the Middle East, but such possible solutions must not work for one side's gain alone.

Desalination of Mediterranean water seems to be a highly efficient option, but large-scale Israeli desalination projects again throw up the question of redressing injustices as the water to be desalinated "in fact partially belongs to the Palestinians but is inaccessible for them" ( article, 17 March 2009 --

Water is both an obstacle to peace (in case it's unfairly distributed) and a trigger for peace (economic development through a fair water share in the Palestinian territories could potentially improve security aspects). Read also this:

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Mika: So then do you think that the Amnesty report is deficient?
Israel responce is.
Israel's response is deficient, in your view, simply because it does not say how much water "settlers" are using, or for other reasons?
"Israel's response is deficient, in your view, simply because it does not say how much water "settlers" are using, or for other reasons?"

++ If there is case where 450 000 settlers use as much water as about 2,5 million palestinians, tell your view.

Are there other reasons ?

What i your source for your claim that "450 000 settlers use as much water as about 2.5 million Palestinians!"
I'd like to see the conflict axis altered so that those inherently peaceful and intent on cooperation and overall improvement in the conditions of living and associated support of human potential at its best may better confront those who lie outright and twist reason to sustain courses of destruction abetting both their martial stance and their vanity.

Apply the statement each way, for sure.


The settlements, which may well turn out core economic engines for their immediate surrounds, challenge perception, which I think reverts back to how we learn through oral and written modalities.

A few minutes ago I read an explanation of the first World Trade Center bombing as part of an American and Zionist plot to discredit Muslims.

Are there any here who would buy that today and why?

The question's off-topic under this thread, but whether talking about horrible threats involving Jews or the painful disenfranchisement of what I think may be a poorly led, poorly presented, and poorly represented people, the discussions about balance or fairness between a comparative handful of people on a landscape--in Israel proper fewer than live in New York City; between Gaza and the West Bank, about the same with a bulge; including the complement of the camps, a few million more (than NYC)--may want to engage the deeper drivers à la tête.

By way of introduction, I live in Maryland, USA and just up the street, loosely speaking, from the battlefield that signaled the beginning of the end of the American Civil War that eliminated a then robust southern aristocracy and the system of slavery--not wage slavery, poverty, social inequality, etc., all of which we're working on, but the pernicious outright ownership of other human beings--on which it depended.

For the scale of the devestation attending four years of all-out armed combat, the Civil War led to an odd epilogue: in 1913, a large group of veterans of both sides--you might say the survivors of both sides--met to memorialize their battle--Pickett's Charge, Gettysburg, Pennsylvania--through reenactment. The two camps who had fought hand-to-hand, literally gun butt, knife, tooth and nail in pools of blood as young men lasted a few minutes in their reenacted battle positions and movements before falling into each other's arms.

Here's reference to a painting of them, a photograph, and Park Service reference:

As different as the differences may be between the 19th Century American experience and now the 21st Century Middle East one, drawing the bead on the necessity of developing new societies out of old ones may be worth consideraton.

I'll leave off with that and try to become helpful here as time goes on.
The "overall improvement in the conditions of living and associated support of human potential (...)" you mention would however (if I may return to the topic of that discussion) include an honest and factual evaluation of the distribution of water resources in the region. Both the Goldstone Report (now I'm off-topic :)) and the water issue, and Israel's respective 'responses' must lead to a more efficient international engagement in the region.
Israel is continuing as if at war.

Here's a Daniel Pipes piece from 2006:

With Abbas resigning, and possibly getting out of the crosshairs on his own side, producing a reversed psychology in which enemies extend care to one another and find themselves mutually obligated may be more difficult.

The notion of "getting even" becomes more possible with peace as it obligates the stronger party to attend to the weaker, strengthen it, and defend both.
"Mika, What i your source for your claim that "450 000 settlers use as much water as about 2.5 million Palestinians!"

++ Amnesty : " Numbering about 450,000, the settlers use as much or more water than the Palestinian population of some 2.3 million. "

Paul, do you even bother to read what others are giving here to read ?
I do not have perfect recall!



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