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I am curious if Rachel's mother has asked or demanded that her remaining childern become peaceniks, or is it the easy way out to allow them to follow their peers.
18 yearolds still need guidance from their families or society in general and I am assuming that Rachel was destined to join thr IDF if she was not in it alraedy.
From my understanding peace begins at home....then speads to friends and family.
this videos talks about 2 victims I really watched it many times and I hope all of friends here to watch it

I need to remove reply no# 1 cuz it's just repeated video so how I can remove it
This is an interesting film. It was supposed to be about reconciliation but near the end when the mother’s speak, it becomes a symbol of the conflict in general. I like to analyze conflict so here is my analysis:

I heard three separate conflicts in this film:

The Palestinian narrative which says only the Palestinians suffer, only the Palestinians have no rights, the most important thing is resistance because this will return pride to the nation of Palestine, only by returning to the situation before 1948 (the right of return) will make peace. (what that narrative ignores is that much of the world’s populations have no rights, many are refugees- Palestinians are not the only ones, resistance for the sake of pride and justifying any action taken is only increasing the violence, in a situation of constant violence Israeli will not accept any return or peace).

The Israeli narrative which says why does the world hate the Jews, why do the Arabs want to kill the Jews when the Jews don’t want to kill anyone. Jews value life over pride so Jews are better. (what the narrative ignores is that most of the fear Jews believe is in our heads because of our history, that Israel has killed and destroyed many innocent lives of Palestinians, that the occupation and its violence and inequality continues which makes Palestinians have a very difficult life, that the creation of the state of Israel even though it was such a glory for Jews, was a trauma for Palestinians)

The third conflict is when the two narratives meet and each tries to win the war of words, values, facts, history, etc. Both groups want peace. Each is at a certain psychological point where they are able to move towards peace. But the other side is at a different point because each of the narratives are so different. So the two start negotiating to try to force the other side to move to their point of view and start a process together. Each side is so sure that their point of view is the correct worldview. When they cannot change the other’s mind, they conclude that the other side does not want peace. Neither can see that the other is working from a different set of values, facts, experiences, history and this somehow must be bridged.
Dear Corey:
I increasingly realize that when relaying the narrative of "the other" most people simply fail. That is not your fault or any one else's fault. It is taht you raelly can't imagine what tyhe real story is. And even after you hear it many times, it is hard to connect to it and even simply repeat it (without agreement or dissagreement). For example above you state:

The Palestinian narrative which says only the Palestinians suffer, only the Palestinians have no rights, the most important thing is resistance because this will return pride to the nation of Palestine, only by returning to the situation before 1948 (the right of return) will make peace. (what that narrative ignores is that much of the world’s populations have no rights, many are refugees- Palestinians are not the only ones, resistance for the sake of pride and justifying any action taken is only increasing the violence, in a situation of constant violence Israeli will not accept any return or peace).

But that is not the Palestinian narrative. That is your version of what you think Palestinians think. I can tell you taht since 7 of 10 Palestinians in the world is a refugee or displaced person that they do not give a dime about the "pride to teh nation of Palestine." They simply want to go back to the homes and lands that they were individually removed from. It is as simple a desire as a child that you snatch a toy from wanting it back. It is a normal and normative human emotion of belonging to your home and land. It has nothing to do with national pride, dislikeness to Jews or anything else. And as in any individual who lost something (a stolen car or whatever), telling him taht there are lots of stolen cars is not a way to dissuade us from seeking to get back what was stolen from us unfairly.

I also know many Palestinians who fail to see the Israeli narrative so it goes both ways but obviously (and again) there is no equality between someone who had his land taken from them (stolen) and someone who came under the banner of Zionism who was persecuted in Europe and wants to live here. The modality of living is now obvious: no full justice and no full restitution but at least a recognition of the injustice and return and equality without displacing Israeli Jews. It is why the one state solution is teh only solution to remedy the injustice and live in equality. So when you write something like: "Neither can see that the other is working from a different set of values, facts, experiences, history and this somehow must be bridged." I see your point but I also see taht whites and blacks in both South Africa and Jim Crow South in the US where in similar situations and they transcended those. It was transcended because there are certain common HUMAN values (not black or white) that we should all agree to. Equality is one such value. Those who do not bnelieve in equality should certainly not be accomodated but challenged to adjust and face their prejudices (and indeed their fears of the "other").
For the record, my grandparents had their land stolen from them in Russia and the Ukraine. They were driven out by pogroms- meaning Russians/Ukrainians literally tried to kill them and stole all their belongings. My grandmother and her family were hidden in a closet for weeks while Russian searched for Jews. That is when they fled and came to Canada. None of them ever wanted to go back or have their belongings returned, most to this day have feelings of animosity towards Russia.

Part of the reason is that they were going towards something better and positive. Part of it is that as Jews, our true home is Israel so living in other places is by definition to many, temporary.

Palestinians are not the only refugees on the planet. There are currently millions of refugees that are not Palestinian. In the past 100 years, most refugees (my family included) have been thrown off their lands never to return and no compensation offered.

I say these things not to say that Palestinians are not refugees or don’t suffer, but that they are not the only refugees on the planet and not the only victims.

I most definitely believe in equality for all. I don’t believe that two groups who have committed so much violence against each other can suddenly become best of friends over night and live together in peace forever. Contrary to your claims, it did not happen in South Africa, in the US, in the former Yugoslavia, or in Ireland where violence still occurs.

You have decided that the ONLY solution is the return of refugees. That is a mistake because if one side decides there is only the one solution, the other side can only accept or reject. That is not a very good way to solve problems.
Dear Corey:
An injustice somewhere does not justify an injustice elsewhere. What Russia or Europe did with their minorities in no way justifies the injustice to the Palestinians. You and I should together fight for both individual and collective rights but mostly for individual righst (since we are all human). You say you believe in equality and I believe you. So let us also together work for equality. I did not say that South Africa is Utopia or that it is fine. They have taken the first (very brave) step by eliminating teh system of apartheid. The ANC made a huge compromise which many of us thought was a bad deal (allowing the whites to keep much of teh economics and land they acquired over years of privilage under apartheid laws). But the compromise ended apartheid and gave one person one vote. This ended the immediate cause of teh main fighting (state and individual terrorism and other forms of violence). No more bombings, no more necklacing (burning people alive with rubber tires) etc. Violence did not completely end because such colonial systems are built on militarism and violence and when the colonial system ends, teh violence remains in eth hearts of men untiol the new generation comes raised ina diferent atmosphere. So violence decreased to 1/10th immediately after apartheid ended and is been on the decrease since then (look at numbers of those killed).

Finally to correct you on this "You have decided that the ONLY solution is the return of refugees." There are many solutions. I do not believe in "only" solutions. I do say that if you desire a durable solution that a just and fair address to teh original injustice is needed. I believe that to involve offering teh Palestinian refugees CHOICE. They can chose to return or choose to receive compensation. You can make it so that the majority chose not to return (simply offer them citizenship in places like Canada and the US and give a generous package to compensazte them for their lost property). What I do say is that if you don't recognize the injjustice and give them that choice, then they will remain angry and unhappy and the conflict will continue. Even from a strictly selfish point of view, Israelis cannot continue down the line and hope for the better (ie. that might will keep those "hordes" away).
I don't view the world in terms of right and wrong or good and bad. I look at what the majority believes.

If I look at what mainstream Israelis are willing to accept, it would involve financial compensation from other countries (maybe even secretly by Israel), perhaps an acknowledgement or even an apology for 1948 to the Palestinian people from the government of Israel and perhaps very limited return of only the original refugees (only those who left in 47/48). Would that be enough to stop the violence?
Dear Corey: Have you considered the possibility that teh world is not static and that what the majority "wants" today may change (or not even be good for that majority). The majority in Israel at one point believed there is no such thing as Palestinians and that Israel should never negotiate with the PLO and that there would never be a Palestinian state West of the River Jordan. All these things changed (for the better I might add). So why assume the refugee issue will be any dfifferent. Now as to your vision, I would say the order is that the most important thing is the psychological part: the acknowledgement of the wrong done to Palestinians (the natives) in establishing a Jewish state on top of their lands and thus creating this Nakba (catastrophe) of a displaced population. Once that acknowledgement is done, dealing with practicalities (logistics) becomes rather easy and manageable without creating any injustice to Jewish Israelis etc. That I believe is doable and actually Israeli and Palestinian negotiaters almost got taht balance right in Taba when Barak decided to pull the rug from under them and call tehm back and call for new elections (for which Sharon won).
The refugees ideas change too, from idalistic "return to our parents home that do not exists" it move to "being citizen of our Palestinian state and members with all nations for a better world"

this is a progress that you miss.

The Israeli acknowledgment of the wrong done to the palestinian exist in the Israeli media and any fair and intelligent observer without pre-condition idealism can see it.
As one who was involved in creating Zuchrot are you kidding me?

this is dangerous messages that you deliver that make the palestinian Nakba continue, check this maps - the houses are gone.

I do not justify this, I argue we need to go from the future and not from the history to build one future.

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