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A Portion of conversation between Dini Catia and Madan Sarkar on 15-12-2012

  • Madan Sarkar

    With my little knowledge by personally interacting with the people of europe, australia and Canada, Japan and even in china, I am confident that we indians (who tell long talk on ethics, morality, religion, humanity) are nowhere parallel to them

    We are traditional by heart but modern by face and utterings

  • Catia Dini

    I do not like western people that I consider inferior people, with only the military power and the financial power. I have been upset all my life about the crimes of the western people. I do not like even the colour of my skin, but I feel deeply emotionally involved with all populations that have suffered because western people, not a model for humanity. I hope that human people never follow his path of colonization

  • Madan Sarkar

    You r absolutely true. Unfortunately, our stare power is leading us towards westernization. Above, I did not talk of those who are in the state power but talking of common ignorant masses of the developed nations who are victimized by the market based (where man is also a commodity) social formation devoid of human face.

  • Catia Dini

    I agree. So please dislike my inferior civilization of whom I am ashamed

  • Madan Sarkar

    No Dini No. The civilization that u got has come through a process. It once gave birth to many great personalities. It gave the new wave to scientific inventions. Except one or two here and there all the scientists and great personalities are the product of your civilization. Plz. donot generalise your personal bitter experiences with all these. of course ur civilization is facing an all out crisis both monetarily and spiritually. The capitalist class as taking away their capital to China, Brazil and also attempting to enter India to reap their natural and cheap human resources and maximize profit deserting their own country.

  • Madan Sarkar

    Hope u r out of net. my wishes r with u. It is high time for me to go to sleep. So bye for the moment and good night

  • Catia Dini

    Colonialism,slavery, exploitation, wars: these as you know, are the products of western. The great men were all against this system. They were jailed, murdered, they had to escape. Now minds are colonized. Minds are not free.They follow the laws of the market. What about Marx? Who dares to pronounce his name? A new civilization will come from immigrants, from people that now are marginalized.Western are colonizing the minds of other people or are destroyng populations that are still defending the Nature, the Environment. Few are struggling,only a very small minority. Thankyou for this conversation.

  • Madan Sarkar

    I think, your grievances and reasoning are very much genuine. I do not oppose any of your view points. What I simply want to share with you is that it is not the common people who are behind the making of a poisonous socio-economic environment rather they are victimized by the anti-people/anti-human policies of the state powers (either in Europe or anywhere in this world) targeting to protect the interests of the owners of capital and other means of production including human beings as labourers. They know that non-living means of production can not do any harm in sustaining their exploitative rule but the only living means of their capital accumulation i.e. labour power, if organised themselves then that is a great threat to them. So they (ruling polity) prefer to dehumanize the working populations by injecting the values/ethics of degraded individualism i.e. u can keep property up to any extent taking confidence of the state power, you can do anything you like (make nude society, embress/kiss anyone in public places, open licensed brothels, produce and market blue films, live together till ur interests are served, plot murder to satisfy ur petty interests, appropriate the share of the poor in connivance with the service providers, purchase votes to gain political powers, blackmail emotions applying market laws, etc). This is the present status of a state of a so called democratic form of governance or governance under the rule of capital. And the capital owning forces are now (after second world war/demolishion of USSR/or after formations of their face/life saving institutions like UNO/IMF/World Bank/UNESCO/UNDP/UNFP/ etc., world-wide united to safeguard the interests of each other. 
    I request you please to notice carefully on what is happening in the world economy today. The Wal-Mart at its deep crisis in exploring or surviving its market in USA has recently spent 125 crores in lobbying the policy makers in the independent poor/backward/so called developing states including India to capture some market eliminating the indigenous players. The Walmart and its Indian sympathizers (including the Central Government) would be the parties in the exploitation of their own man and material resources by Walmart to satisfy their petty (profit sucking) interests. The Indian central government's interest is to increase revenue through managing retail trade (which is now non-remunerative because this is mostly unorganized and in the hands of crores of petty businessmen). Indian government's priority is to get revenue to strengthen the state power by deploying more police and military forces, by increasing the benefits/perks of those who are directly involved in managing different branches of state power, spending something directly in the name of welfare to eyewash crores of poor people, etc. If this is not the hidden intention, then how a democratically governed state-power can fix up more than one lakh salary plus all other life security for the government officials and on the other hand a minimum salary of three thousand rupees for a casual labourer belonging to common public without any life security, i.e. pension, gratuity, medical leaves, etc? How a democratically run government could tolerate people living without basic amenities of life in the urban slums and in 6 lakh villages and at the same time justify lavish living of a section of people (a family possessing properties , organizing parties of millions of rupees). How it allow two types of education (means of enlightenment) one for rich and other for poor by recognizing the education (exchange of ideas/technological knowledge generated through human endeavors- which should never be a patented property of any moneyed class person ) as a means of marketable commodity? How it allows to invest black money to influence public to capture political power? One cannot imagine of spending money in election of a village head (Mukhia/Pradhan) in India. A poor tribal (aboriginal) becomes elected representative (Mukhia or head)of his/her village-men no doubt but he/she is controlled by remote forces (who financed them to win via politics of vested interests). This is all going on in all the countries like India. If you come and study the reality, I am sure that you will be frustrated more than what you are now witnessing in your own country. In your country, the business ethics are possibly still alive. They will think several times in mixing rotten things in baby food for profit. But here anything can happen? Entire market is flooded with duplicate medicines. Here there is no business ethics. Hundreds of people are dying everyday due to drinking of licensed country made liquor. One factory is set up with pomp and show employing few people at the same time three old factories are getting closed due to market crisis snatching employment of thousands. Unethical means of livelihood (where man is a subject in profit making as a marketable commodity or being cheated) are being promoted. Fatalism is being propagated through TV/Cinema. Crores of innocent people are being dragged to the courts of law (where law is also becoming a marketable commodity- i.e. better law-year with spending more money and better chance to win in the court of law) on land related issues. Indian family system is still maintained like a dead body (without life). It apparently looks luminous but its inner carnal has got spoiled. The degraded-individualism of the westernisation / globalisation /privaltization/marketization/liberalization have eaten the very vitals of our economy and society. What is still remaining among the aboriginals are now being snatched away or displaced by the capitalist class in the name of development of market. I can show you the hidden current of our economy and society which is leading towards westernization or ruinization as you call it. We, the conscious section of population should come forward to find solution to safeguard this decaying world humanity. Is not it???

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