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Should the Palestinians Accept a Jewish State: A Constructive Debate From an Israeli and Palestinian Perspective.

In Haaretz, my fruitful exchange/debate with Palestinian writer Aziz Abu Sarah on whether the Palestinians should accept Israel as a Jewish state. Paradoxically this is one of my most conservative (I side with Netanyahu) and radical (see conclusion) articles ever. I also believe that this exchange is one of the most original and creative surrounding this topic. I urge you to pass this to friends, repost on your blogs and share on your facebook pages.

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Comment by اسامه محمد on October 17, 2009 at 11:48am
قصة جديدة طبعا من تأليف اختكم القاتله
وتدور احداث القصة حول الفتاة سميه واخوها وصديق اخوها
تابعو معي شو بيصير معهم
واكيد في سؤال واللي بتعرف تجاوب على السؤال اول وحده
إلها هديه
اسم القصه
طريق الشهاده

أمواج البحر تندفع هادرة نحو الشاطئ وتقتحم الرمال الذهبية وتحاول التشبث بهاوالزحف نحو المعسكرات الجاثمة لجنود الاحتلال .. تتعالى مياه البحر غضبا تزأر كسجين مصفد اليدين والقدمين بالأغلال .. تحاول التعبير عن ثورتها في مشهد يثير الغضب ...
أجواء غزة تختلط بالدخان والأزيز البغيض المنبعث من عجلات الآليات العسكرية التي تملأ المكان ... رصاص مجنون ينطلق من فوهات البنادق ليحصد الأبرياء

طائرات تحلق في السماء وتبحث عن منزل لم يطلق عليه قذيفة ..
صفارات الإسعاف تختلط مع صوت الرصاص والصراخ ونداءات الغضب ..
مدارس غزة تغلق أبوابها معلنة الإضراب حتى إشعار آخر .. طلبة المدارس يجوبون الطرقات ويتلفتون يمنة ويسرة بحثا عن مخرج من هذه المعمعة المحتدمة والفوضى العارمه الميلئة بالدخان والدم ..

تمسك سميه بيد شقيقها الصغير إبراهيم الذي يبلغ 15 عاما ويهرولان نحو زقاق ضيق بعيداً عن زخات الرصاص .. يتوقفان قليلاً ويتنهدان بعد شعورهما بالنجاة .. تنظر سميه إلى صديق ابراهيم شقيقها الصغير احمد الذي أحبه وعاش ملازما له طيلة فترة الدراسة السابقة .. تبتسم في وجهه وتهدئ من روعه .. وتقول لا عليك فنحن بامان في هذا الزقاق وجميل انك بقيت واقفا هنا طيلة الوقت حتى تنتهي هذه الهجمة الشرسة .. فقد زال الخطر باذن الله .. يهز إبراهيم رأسه الحمد لله وحمدا لله على سلامتنا جميعا .. وانتهت الهجمه عندما وصلت سمية واخوها وصديق اخوها الى بيتهم .. ينظر احمد إلى ابراهيم بدهشة .. أتعرف بماذا افكر يا صديقي ابراهيم فقال ابراهيم بنبرة حاده متسائلا عما يجول في خاطر صديقه بماذا تفكر ؟ فرد احمد بسرعة أريد أن أذهب إلى المعسكر الاسرائيلي الذي يقع في فوق التله الكبيرة بالقرب من المطار .. نعم.. أريد أن أفعل شيئاً .. أريد أن أجاهد .. أريد أن .. وقال ابراهيم مسرعا كأن اسدا يلحقه خطر جدا .. ألم تسمع بالعشرات الذين قتلوا أثناء محاولتهم للوصول إلى ذالك المعسكر فان المواجهات الدامية فيه .. وقال احمد بل سمعت .. وهذا الذي يجعلني أفكر بالذهاب إلى هناك فعندي خطة ساستخدمها .. يطرق أبراهيم ويفكر .. حسنا .. دعنا نفكر سويا الآن لاننا سنذهب معا فلن ادعك تذهب وحدك للخطر فدخلت سمية سمعت فجأة انها ينويان الذهاب إلى مكان مجهول فسألت إلى اين تذهبان ؟ اخبروني بالله عليكم ماذا تتكلمون يا احباب قلبي .... فقالوا لا شي... لا عليك يا اختاه ...فأحست بانهم يخفون شيئا عليها فقالت لهم ...إما ان تخبروني او اغضب منكما ولا تكلماني ابدا وابتعدوا عني .....فقال ابراهيم حسنا سنخبرك ...نفكر انا واحمد بالذهاب إلى المعسكر الذي يقع بالقرب من المطار ...وكأن الصاعقة ضربت سميه فقامت وحضنت الاطفال وقالت بالله عليكم لا تفعلوا ما زلتم صغارا على المواجهة والموت بالله لا تفعلوا وكأن دموعها اصبحت شلالا لا ينبض ولا يكف عن البكاء .....فقال احمد ولكن .... قالت لهم لا تقولوا لكن ... هناك من هم اكبر منكم ويعرفون كيف يتصرفون مع العدو وانتم ما زلتم صغارا وما زلت انا بحاجة لكم فلا تقتلوني بذهابكم ارجوكم ..... وبات الصمت قليلا مخيما على البيت والكل صامت إلا دموع سميه المنحدرة من عيونها العسلية الجميله...

وقالت اذهبوا الى النوم واتفقوا
وقولوا لي غدا بماذا ستقررون ....
ولكن اعلموا باني ساغضب عليكم ان ذهبتم .....؟

سؤال الجزء الاول
سؤالي هل سيذهب ابراهيم واحمد إلى المعسكر ؟
هل سيذهب ابراهيم لوحده ام احمد لوحده او كليهما معا ؟؟
وهل سيتركون اختهم سميه تغضب منهم ؟؟؟



الشاطرة اللي رح تجاوب إلها هدية يلا فكروا شو رح يصير
سلام
اخوكم
Comment by اسامه محمد on October 17, 2009 at 11:46am
New cut of course from your formation of sister [aalqaatlh]
and occurrences of the cut around the girl revolve his poisons and make brotherly her and friend make brotherly her
following intestine [shw] [bySyr] with them
and certain in question and allyl in acquaintance first compliance on the question unifies him
his
god of right path is poisonous [aalqSh]
road [aalshhaadh]
wave of the sea rushs roaring towards the coast and the golden sands plunge and the adherance tries [bhaawaalzHf] towards the squatting camps for soldiers of the occupation. Seawaters rise anger [tz'ar] as prisoner [mSfd] the hands and the feet in the handcuffs. The expressing tries about agitated her in scene the anger arouses…
Atmospheres of Gaza mixs in the automatic smoke and the humming abominable emitted from wheels military which the place fill up… Crazy lead rushs from [fwhaat] the guns to the flying innocents
harvest encircling in the sky and house searchs about does not release on him missile.
Yolks of the relief mixs with roadsign of the bullets and the scream and calls of the anger.
Schools of Gaza locks her announced doors the strike last notice corroded. Students of the schools travels the roads [wytlftwn] [ymnt] and simple research about director from this turmoil glowing and the chaos [aale'aarmh] [aalmyly't] in the smoke and the blood.
Small poisons in hand of brother Ibrahim catch his her who 15 year informs [wyhrwlaan] towards tight alley far about [zxaat] the bullets. Stops little and hairs in the rescue sigh after their. Poisons to friend of Ibrahim look his her small brother Ahmed who loved his and adherent lived for him throughout period studious previous. Smiles in directed him and calm down from frightened him. Says on you so we in safety in the alley raved and beautiful that you remainder of standing here throughout the time corroded ends this aggressive attack. Losing ended the danger in permission Allah. Ibrahim shakes headed him praise be to God and praised [llh] on our safety all. Ended [aalhjmh] when poisonous newcomer and make brotherly her and friend make brotherly her to their house. Ahmed to Ibrahim in astonishment looks. Meets in what thinks [yaa] friends of Ibrahim so sharp Ibrahim in tone said his questioning about what [yjwl] in his idea of friend in what thinking? So reply of Ahmed quickly wanted to the Israeli camp goes to who falls in above [aaltlh] the grown-up near the airport. Yes. Wanted to does something. Wanted to strives. Wanted that. Ibrahim said accelerated as that lion follows him dangerous very. Pain hears in the ten who trier for the arrival killed during their to [dhaalk] the camp is transient opposite bloody in him. Ahmed said yet reputation. Raved who makes me the going thinks in to there so stubborn my plan [saastxdmhaa]. Forges ['abraahym] and thinks. All right. Lets us thinks be equal now for that we will go together so do not rub goes and your border for the danger so poisonous interior of reputation suddenly that she the going to place intends unknown so asked to where goes? Reported me in Allah on you what speaks [yaa] [aaHbaab] heart…. So said grilling… On you [yaa] his sisters… [f'aHst] that them disguises something on her so said to loves… either to reports me or angered from you followed speaks me never and left meant ..... so Ibrahim said goodness will report you… I and Ahmed in the going to the camp think who the airport falls near… and as to astonishing his strike of poisons so rose and the children embraced and Allah said in on you do not do what smallness on the confrontation ended and the death in Allah do not do and as to her tears became waterfall does not beat followed the crying refrains about ..... so Ahmed said and to is…. They said for do not say to is… There their blessing is worry of big than you and introduces how the enemy behaves with and belongs what ended small and what I in need ended punching so does not kill me in going your hopes you ..... The silence stay over little camp on the house and the all silent to tears his her honey poisons sloping from eyes [aaljmylh]…
Said [aadhhbwaa] to the sleep and agreed
and negotiated for me tomorrow in what will decide….
To is building informed [saaGDb] on you that went .....? Question of the part first
questions is Ibrahim and Ahmed to the camp will go?
Is Ibrahim will go [lwHdh] mother of Ahmed [lwHdh] or their colleges together?؟
Is their sister will leave his poisons their blessing get angry?؟؟
Smart allyl compliance god of present goes follows thought [shw] goes peace
becomes
make brotherly you
Comment by Roi Ben-Yehuda on October 17, 2009 at 1:06am
Eyal, thanks for the inclusion.
Comment by Eyal Raviv on October 16, 2009 at 2:03pm
This post if featured in today's recommendations on mepeace.org.
Comment by Eyal Raviv on October 16, 2009 at 1:54pm
Roi, can you post the text inside the body of the posting? This would make it easier for people to read and respond.
Comment by mika laiho on October 13, 2009 at 10:29am
When should the palestinians made this recognition ? Before or after they create palestinian state ? One mutual recognition has allready made, and indeed there is no need to recognize nation-status of any state. In fact there isn't even need states recognize each others.
Comment by Roi Ben-Yehuda on October 13, 2009 at 2:30am
Thanks Paul.
Comment by Paul RETI on October 13, 2009 at 1:42am
Yep. Rare common sense honesty and integrity...
Comment by Roi Ben-Yehuda on October 13, 2009 at 1:09am
thank you kindly.
Comment by Corey Gil-Shuster on October 13, 2009 at 1:01am
I was going to post this. This is one of the only constructive conversations I have read on the internet. good job.

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